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Old 11-21-2012, 03:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Rory has lots of upside, but IMO his stand-up is still a very obvious work-in-progress; Mills was giving him all he could handle.
Was there even any stand-up in that fight? If there was, it couldn't have been any longer than ten seconds worth. Che got raped in that fight.

If Rory dismantles Penn, which he will, I'd like to see him fight Ellenberger. I'd give Rory a slow build.
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The WW division doesn't need to worry about losing "contenders" they have plenty of those. Also the guys you are worried about being "derailed" like Fitch and Ellenberger they did just lose to Kampmann and Hendricks.
Name me some of these contenders you speak of. And not just big names either. I mean guys on an impressive win streak. After Hendricks there's nobody even close to being a contender. Out of the top 10 fighters in the division, 4 are coming off losses, 2 are on a 1-fight win streak, 1 is in a different org and the 1 doesn't even want to fight the champ.

I mentioned Ellenberger and Fitch because they just won their last fights. One of those two will most likely get the next shot after Hendricks.

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Old 11-21-2012, 04:02 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Name me some of these contenders you speak of. And not just big names either. I mean guys on an impressive win streak. After Hendricks there's nobody even close to being a contender. Out of the top 10 fighters in the division, 4 are coming off losses, 2 are on a 1-fight win streak, 1 is in a different org and the 1 doesn't even want to fight the champ.

I mentioned Ellenberger and Fitch because they just won their last fights. One of those two will most likely get the next shot after Hendricks.
Strikeforce WW champion Nate Marquardt
former MW title challenger Demian Maia
former Strikeforce WW champion and top five fighter Nick Diaz (and GSP's pick)
two time NCAA Div 1 champion and winner over Koshceck, Fitch, and Kampmann Johny Hendricks

But lets give your standards for a second. Let's look around the league.

Cain Velasquez - 1 win and a title shot
Chael Sonnen - lost his last fight
Nate Diaz - 3 fight win streak
Frankie Edgar - lost his last fight
Jon Dodson - on a reality show last year

So according to your standards four divisions have invalid title fights. Long win streaks are good but they are also somewhat rare.
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:08 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Was there even any stand-up in that fight? If there was, it couldn't have been any longer than ten seconds worth. Che got raped in that fight.

If Rory dismantles Penn, which he will, I'd like to see him fight Ellenberger. I'd give Rory a slow build.
IIRC, Mills cracked him with a right along the fence, then another solid right after a clinch, causing Rory to stop screwing around and take Mills down.

I suspect he's going to get the win over BJ, but Rory is going to have to get BJ down and/or clinch early and often.

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Old 11-21-2012, 04:09 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Also if anyone is interested I just put together a series of quizzes on Sporacle. In those quizzes I look at all the men who have fought for UFC titles in the big five weight classes and who they beat to get those title shots. You'll see how rare the long winning streak in the UFC really is.

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Strikeforce WW champion Nate Marquardt
former MW title challenger Demian Maia
former Strikeforce WW champion and top five fighter Nick Diaz (and GSP's pick)
two time NCAA Div 1 champion and winner over Koshceck, Fitch, and Kampmann Johny Hendricks.

But lets give your standards for a second. Let's look around the league.

Cain Velasquez - 1 win and a title shot
Chael Sonnen - lost his last fight
Nate Diaz - 3 fight win streak
Frankie Edgar - lost his last fight
Jon Dodson - on a reality show last year

So according to your standards four divisions have invalid title fights. Long win streaks are good but they are also somewhat rare.
Invalid title fights? Where'd that come from? I just said there aren't many contenders. Marquardt is in a different org, Diaz is suspended and lost his last fight and I already mentioned Hendricks. Maia is a solid contender though, so that's like two.

You make a good point by bringing up the other divisions though. I had no idea it was this bad. I remember back in the day when fighters had to have a good 3-4 wins to get a shot. Now you got guys like Edgar and Sonnen getting shots off of losses and in different divisions than their own.
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:35 PM   #17 (permalink)
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If Rory beats Penn he should fight Frankie Edgar. You know, a step up in competition
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:47 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Invalid title fights? Where'd that come from? I just said there aren't many contenders. Marquardt is in a different org, Diaz is suspended and lost his last fight and I already mentioned Hendricks. Maia is a solid contender though, so that's like two.

You make a good point by bringing up the other divisions though. I had no idea it was this bad. I remember back in the day when fighters had to have a good 3-4 wins to get a shot. Now you got guys like Edgar and Sonnen getting shots off of losses and in different divisions than their own.
Check out my quizzes those days never really happened, certainly not with any consistency. It changed my mind on a few things, mainly Dan Hardy and how his streak really didn't look that horrible when put in perspective.

Strikeforce is over in January, Diaz is coming back in February after a close and controversial loss to Condit who fought a close and enjoyable fight with GSP. Diaz and GSP also makes smart business sense and the UFC needs it's big draws what with the injuries and everything.
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Invalid title fights? Where'd that come from? I just said there aren't many contenders. Marquardt is in a different org, Diaz is suspended and lost his last fight and I already mentioned Hendricks. Maia is a solid contender though, so that's like two.

You make a good point by bringing up the other divisions though. I had no idea it was this bad. I remember back in the day when fighters had to have a good 3-4 wins to get a shot. Now you got guys like Edgar and Sonnen getting shots off of losses and in different divisions than their own.
All of this is moot.

Try to look for the quote where Rory says he won't fight GSP. I don't think you'll find it.

He and GSP have said they'd rather not fight, but that's not the same.
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Well after Rory completely embarrasses and humilates BJ Penn we are going to see him rise to the top of the division and rematch Carlos Condit for the interim belt. He will kill Condit this time though and then he will have to face GSP, in which he will most likely lose, but he'll be the welterweight's division's number 2. He'll be to GSP what Shogun was to Wanderlei Silva in Pride FC.
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