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Old 11-27-2012, 01:00 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Anderson Vs Sonnen just sums it all up though. Not only would he have wanted to keep it standing as he was being put in danger, but in the second fight he was going in to murder his opponent. What happened? He got taken straight down and held their. His BJJ looked improved, but in the early moments he didnt do anything to get out of the situation. He stopped a takedown or two in the second, but if you compair that to how Bisping did against Sonnen's wrestling, it just shows that Anderson's wrestling skillset isn't up to the level it is merited with.
The thing is he let Sonnen take him down, like how he let Okami have a chance, like how he let Bonnar have a chance. He doesn't fight back in the first most of the time because he likes to break his opponents will, Anderson may have been taken down by Sonnen but he wanted it to happen. He wanted Sonnen to be on top so that after the first when Sonnen did absolutely no damage his will would break, that's why he was hardly moving around or doing anything. You think the best fighter in the world just lays there when he doesn't want someone on top of him? He wanted it to happen. Watch his fights again, more closely. He literally let Bonnar punch him in the face, he let Okami try to push him around. The only time he never plays into the other guys strength is if they are BJJ only. I've seen Anderson's training, he lays on his back and gets punched in the face over and over on purpose practicing absorbing punches.
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:29 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Would GSP losing to Silva really hurt his sponsorship that much? I honestly don't know what keeps these companies invested in certain fighters. Obviously win or lose GSP is still a great symbol of the sport, he's respectful and if he continues fighting at WW after a catchweight loss, is that the type of situation where a sponsor would cut him loose?
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The thing is he let Sonnen take him down, like how he let Okami have a chance, like how he let Bonnar have a chance. He doesn't fight back in the first most of the time because he likes to break his opponents will, Anderson may have been taken down by Sonnen but he wanted it to happen. He wanted Sonnen to be on top so that after the first when Sonnen did absolutely no damage his will would break, that's why he was hardly moving around or doing anything. You think the best fighter in the world just lays there when he doesn't want someone on top of him? He wanted it to happen. Watch his fights again, more closely. He literally let Bonnar punch him in the face, he let Okami try to push him around. The only time he never plays into the other guys strength is if they are BJJ only. I've seen Anderson's training, he lays on his back and gets punched in the face over and over on purpose practicing absorbing punches.
I dont think he let Bonnar take him down. Silva went out like a rocket and was looking for a one punch KO straight away. A bad move, and Bonnar did what he always does and took it down. Anderson wasnt moving because of the first fight, and to be fair it was a huge improvement. He used his bottom BJJ to stifle Sonnen and not allow him to work, where as in the first fight he wore Anderson down with his usual GnP from the guard. Anderson kept him there, took no damage as he had trained that way, and in the next round managed to impliment his TDD training a bit better. I dont think he'd have risked it with Sonnen. He knew had badly his ass got beat in the first, and this time he HAD to win.

Agree with Bonnar and Okami though. I just think Anderson's subs and TDD is overrated. He doesnt want to be on the ground, and to me doesnt look greatly active on the bottom position, where as Maia would be dangerous with subs and sweeps and his opponent would probably eventually stand up.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:07 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Happens all the time.



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Fact? Hmmm... interesting definition.



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I don't think 2 quick KO's, 2 splits, and a loss to Rick Story is crazy impressive. You do. Big deal.

Am I sitting here saying Hendricks isn't the clear next in line at 170? No. I am saying I would rather see ANderson focking Silva vs. Georges focking St. Pierre. #1 vs #2. Sorry.

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The thing is you are showing your ignorance of mma in true stride right here. Anyone that understands skillsets and how mma strategies works knows GSP has little to no chance against Anderson, this is based on objective analysis. When you know how much better Anderson is than GSP and you add to the fact that he's bigger, well if someone has to explain it to you you're already lost.

I won't even bother getting into it because your hate fueled ignorant rants aren't even worth a response, go on in your fairy tale world getting angry when people correct your ignorance. don't be surprised when you don't get the responses you hope for when you talk like you do though. Get over yourself, I'm not even sure what your username is, I just responded to the comment.

edit: johnyg... I've never even seen you before, do you have mental issues?
My whole point is some people truly believe GSP would win. I have seen many of posters say it with a straight internet face. They may be bias, but I am also bias as I like Anderson and don't care too much for GSP. But either way people are both sides. Yea, more people think Anderson wins. But their has to be a favorite.

I'm not even going to get into your other gibberish. Bottom line is some people like myself want to see #1 vs. #2 at a catchweight. Just like we wanted to see Randy vs. Chuck back in the day. Like we were hyped for Penn/GSP. Hell I was amped as hell for Hendo/Fedor and thought going in that it was a legendary matchup. This superfight in my eyes is even more fair as they would be meeting at a catch. Sorry I want to see the 2 best fighters go at it over Johnny Hendricks/GSP. Many people call GSP the best wrestler in all of MMA. Sorry that I want to see the best fighter who has wrestling weakness to test himself vs. "the best wrestler in all of MMA". You sit and act like Jones/Anderson should happen...I agree with you. Both should happen. In my perfect world Anderson would fight GSP now at 178. Go beat Weidman and maybe Bisping at 185. Then fight J0nes at 205 and retire win or lose. Sorry that I want legendary fights. Sorry I'm sick of watching GSP destroy every challenger by a lopsided decision. Sorry I don't see what Hendricks has other than heavy hands. He said he would wait. Let him wait. No one should makes Georges fight and that fight is in the rear-view now. Just wish everyone could have came to this conclusion last year...or the year before...or at least while GSP was rehabbing.

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Old 11-27-2012, 11:29 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Am I sitting here saying Hendricks isn't the clear next in line at 170?
You have totally belittled his achievements. You have somehow managed to turn two quick stoppages against two very high level WW's into a negative. Do you know how utterly ridiculous that sounds? It's like saying Anderson Silvas performance against Forrest was unimpressive because it was so easy. Is that how you feel?

You have essentially written off the most impressive WW run in recent memory. And just to show your inconsistency, you write off the Fitch and Kampmann victories becuase they we're so short... and also write off a hard earned victory against Koscheck. So what exactly does he need to do to impress you?

Just admit you dont like a fighter. Thats what I do. I dont dance around dressing my biased opinions in some kind of logic. Bollocks.

I dont want GSP to drop the WW belt and go up to 185.I dont want Silva killing himself making 170. Nothing is gonna shift me from this point of view.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:39 AM   #46 (permalink)
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You have totally belittled his achievements. You have somehow managed to turn two quick stoppages against two very high level WW's into a negative. Do you know how utterly ridiculous that sounds? It's like saying Anderson Silvas performance against Forrest was unimpressive because it was so easy. Is that how you feel?

You have essentially written off the most impressive WW run in recent memory. And just to show your inconsistency, you write off the Fitch and Kampmann victories becuase they we're so short... and also write off a hard earned victory against Koscheck. So what exactly does he need to do to impress you?

Just admit you dont like a fighter. Thats what I do. I dont dance around dressing my biased opinions in some kind of logic. Bollocks.

I dont want GSP to drop the WW belt and go up to 185.I dont want Silva killing himself making 170. Nothing is gonna shift me from this point of view.
No I haven't. I said it wasn't THAT impressive to me. It isn't impressive enough to make me want that fight more than Anderson/GSP. I said he is the clear cut #1 contender. But it isn't some magical title fight that I can't wait to see.

Didn't think it was that hard to grasp. This is an Anderson Silva/GSP thread. Stay on topic.

I'm a fan of Hendricks you goof. Doesn't mean I need to think he has a shot vs. GSP. Is that too hard to understand?

Cool you don't want GSP to move up. Do you want a prize? We have different opinions. You want to see another title fight vs. the next contender. I want to see the mega fight. We get it.
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No I haven't. I said it wasn't THAT impressive to me. It isn't impressive enough to make me want that fight more than Anderson/GSP. I said he is the clear cut #1 contender. But it isn't some magical title fight that I can't wait to see.

Didn't think it was that hard to grasp. This is an Anderson Silva/GSP thread. Stay on topic.

I'm a fan of Hendricks you goof. Doesn't mean I need to think he has a shot vs. GSP. Is that too hard to understand?

Cool you don't want GSP to move up. Do you want a prize? We have different opinions. You want to see another title fight vs. the next contender. I want to see the mega fight. We get it.
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Anderson Vs Sonnen just sums it all up though. Not only would he have wanted to keep it standing as he was being put in danger, but in the second fight he was going in to murder his opponent. What happened? He got taken straight down and held their. His BJJ looked improved, but in the early moments he didnt do anything to get out of the situation. He stopped a takedown or two in the second, but if you compair that to how Bisping did against Sonnen's wrestling, it just shows that Anderson's wrestling skillset isn't up to the level it is merited with.
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If I understood it correctly Silva vs GSP wasn't going to happen for at least a year. I remember GSP not being too thrilled about that considering he was already on the sidelines for over two years due to injury. Now he has to wait another year. Plus, does anybody really want to see the WW division being held up for a year again?
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If I understood it correctly Silva vs GSP wasn't going to happen for at least a year. I remember GSP not being too thrilled about that considering he was already on the sidelines for over two years due to injury. Now he has to wait another year. Plus, does anybody really want to see the WW division being held up for a year again?
To be honest at this point GSP being champion is holding up the WW division as it is already. I'd much rather see GSP fight Silva than anyone else right now.
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