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B.J. Penn 31 46.97%
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:53 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I can't believe people are still falling for the "Penn is is great shape" lies once again. You would think after several times of him disappointing that people would start to get the picture.

Penn needs a 1st round finish. Because he will gas again, like he usually does.
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:14 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I can't believe people are still falling for the "Penn is is great shape" lies once again. You would think after several times of him disappointing that people would start to get the picture.

Penn needs a 1st round finish. Because he will gas again, like he usually does.
Hard to argue that for sure... however I also remember a fifth round BJ Penn chomping at the bit like a wild dog in the Sanchez fight... that was actually the moment that won me over for Penn, you could read his thoughts seemingly saying "if I have to take this guys head off, this isn't going to the judges".. and he damn near did.

Havind said that, I also think Rory is a freak of nature... I don't think he's overrated, and I think he is the future... Rory has everything to gain here in my opinion. Should he lose, I don't think he'll lose much hype, most will chalk it up to BJ coming to fight the way he should...

This is actually one of the most interesting fights I can remember in years.
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:21 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I can't believe people are still falling for the "Penn is is great shape" lies once again. You would think after several times of him disappointing that people would start to get the picture.

Penn needs a 1st round finish. Because he will gas again, like he usually does.
Part of it is true, and part of it is hype. Even Rogan has been known to make the statement, 'Your job as BJ's opponent is to not give him a reason to get off the couch and into the gym' and that statement has some truth to it. Penn has a hard time staying motivated for an 8 week training camp, he likes to take time off and not be serious. If you give him a reason to be in his best shape it isn't just his cardio that is better, ALL of Penn is better.

So I guess a better statement would be "A motivated BJ" rather than an "In shape BJ".
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Part of it is true, and part of it is hype. Even Rogan has been known to make the statement, 'Your job as BJ's opponent is to not give him a reason to get off the couch and into the gym' and that statement has some truth to it. Penn has a hard time staying motivated for an 8 week training camp, he likes to take time off and not be serious. If you give him a reason to be in his best shape it isn't just his cardio that is better, ALL of Penn is better.

So I guess a better statement would be "A motivated BJ" rather than an "In shape BJ".
He seem motivated at the start of the Fitch fight. Like he was all business. Then he gassed...

I know they didn't want it at first. But seemed motivated for the Diaz fight. Looked good in the first. And gassed.

What happens if Penn loses? Where does he go when he is
1-4-1 in his last 6? DOes he retire again? What happens if it is the 3rd round and huge as Rory is on top of him while he is gassing out? What will motivation do for him then?

I hope he looks good. And I expect him too early on. But Penn says this before every fight. I and all of you have seen this from him before. He couldn't be motivated enough to face the #2 WW Jon Fitch. He wasn't motivated enough to go 3 rounds with Nick Diaz and possible title implications on the line. But some how he is motivated for a 23 year old kid that doesn't have a name yet in MMA? Seems odd.

For as long as Penn continues to fight he will always talk well and persuade others into thinking this is "it". How he's fed up with something. How he has realized something. How he is in teh best shape of his life. Penn is great at hyping a fight and talking up his new found motivation.

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I can't bare watching BJ get beat up again I hope he wins this.
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He seem motivated at the start of the Fitch fight. Like he was all business. Then he gassed...

I know they didn't want it at first. But seemed motivated for the Diaz fight. Looked good in the first. And gassed.
Answer me this, who keeps up with the likes of Nick Diaz and Jon Fitch in terms of cardio? Fitch's record is full of guys that though they could hang with him and "take him into deep waters".

No, those are bad examples. When he looked gassed against Hughes in their initial rematch, that is an example of an out of shape and not motivated Penn.
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He seem motivated at the start of the Fitch fight. Like he was all business. Then he gassed...

I know they didn't want it at first. But seemed motivated for the Diaz fight. Looked good in the first. And gassed.

What happens if Penn loses? Where does he go when he is
1-4-1 in his last 6? DOes he retire again? What happens if it is the 3rd round and huge as Rory is on top of him while he is gassing out? What will motivation do for him then?

I hope he looks good. And I expect him too early on. But Penn says this before every fight. I and all of you have seen this from him before. He couldn't be motivated enough to face the #2 WW Jon Fitch. He wasn't motivated enough to go 3 rounds with Nick Diaz and possible title implications on the line. But some how he is motivated for a 23 year old kid that doesn't have a name yet in MMA? Seems odd.

For as long as Penn continues to fight he will always talk well and persuade others into thinking this is "it". How he's fed up with something. How he has realized something. How he is in teh best shape of his life. Penn is great at hyping a fight and talking up his new found motivation.
Yea this is true, Penn is too old and will never be in peak shape again, he tends to fail at cardio and I see him doing so this fight as much as any, or more.
If Rory is silly enough to stand with Penn then Penn with hurt him and probably finish him. Thing is tho, if (when) Rory decides to grapple with Penn, it won't take long for Penn to gas out.
Penn has the grappling to beat Rory, just not the gastank and or the heart anymore.
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Answer me this, who keeps up with the likes of Nick Diaz and Jon Fitch in terms of cardio? Fitch's record is full of guys that though they could hang with him and "take him into deep waters".

No, those are bad examples. When he looked gassed against Hughes in their initial rematch, that is an example of an out of shape and not motivated Penn.
Condit, GSP, Mike Pierce seemed to have enough against Fitch. Condit went 5 fresh rounds with Diaz. Penn went 1.

It is a 3 round fight dude. I don't care who you are facing. If you think you are still a top fighter you should be able to go 3 rounds vs. anyone. They are no bad examples. He gassed in round 2 vs. Diaz. He gassed the whole 3rd round vs. Fitch. We are talking 3 round fights...not even 5 round main events.

Come on...His cardio sucks...you are being delusional.

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Condit, GSP, Mike Pierce seemed to have enough against Fitch. Condit went 5 fresh rounds with Diaz. Penn went 1.

It is a 3 round fight dude. I don't care who you are facing. If you think you are still a top fighter you should be able to go 3 rounds vs. anyone. They are no bad examples. He gassed in round 2 vs. Diaz. He gassed the whole 3rd round vs. Fitch. We are talking 3 round fights...not even 5 round main events.

Come on...His cardio sucks...you are being delusional.
Condit never fought Fitch...

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