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Old 11-29-2012, 11:07 AM   #11 (permalink)
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So Diaz's camp has chimed in recently and said that if GSP won't take Silva on in a Super Fight that Nick would, and he would agree to any weight.

The real question is, how does Diaz do against Anderson Silva?

My personal thoughts are that Nick is the perfect person to fight Silva, in the regards that Silva will have another highlight KO to add to the reel. I legitimately appreciate Nicks willingness to fight anyone (not named Mayhem Miller), but I think this would be a fight he shouldn't be asking for.
I'd actually say the real question is: other than a paycheck, what possible reason/motivation would AS have for fighting Diaz?
He's not a belt-holder; he's not a contender in AS's weight class; he's not a top "P4P" guy.

AS likely only has a few fights left, IMO. I don't want him to waste one of them on a ROFLstomping of a Diaz bro'.

In all seriousness, I can't think of a single compelling reason to be a fan of this match-up.

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Old 11-29-2012, 11:13 AM   #12 (permalink)
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It wouldn't hurt his cred, but why bother? GSP's got it made at 170, he just beat his toughest test in Condit and who at 170 really stands a chance to beat him? Hendricks? Unlikely, Diaz? Probably not. Marquardt? It's an interesting fight but I'd still pick GSP. He has a lot of years left in his career and he could potentially tie or even break Anderson's title defense record.

If Anderson loses a fight and I think Anderson will lose soon, then Georges can still become the GOAT by never having to fight him. Look at what happened to Fedor, he lost a fight and now Anderson took his spot, if Anderson loses Georges can take his spot, and maybe in the future Jones will take Georges spot. He's young enough to eclipse all those records if he can remain champ.

I think it's a unanimous opinion, at least on this forum that if they do fight Anderson would probably beat him, I know many feel that way and I do as well, but if I'm GSP, why bother? All it takes for him to move up on that list of 'Greatest of all time' is to keep doing what he's doing and for Anderson to finally lose, and Georges is much more complete than Anderson so the chances of Anderson losing before he does is more likely.
Excellent and very important point. Another factor in why Silva pushing for this fight more than GSP.

As far as Diaz challenging Silva, fair play to him. Can't fault his balls. He'd get a kicking though.
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So Diaz's camp has chimed in recently and said that if GSP won't take Silva on in a Super Fight that Nick would, and he would agree to any weight.

The real question is, how does Diaz do against Anderson Silva?

My personal thoughts are that Nick is the perfect person to fight Silva, in the regards that Silva will have another highlight KO to add to the reel. I legitimately appreciate Nicks willingness to fight anyone (not named Mayhem Miller), but I think this would be a fight he shouldn't be asking for.
Not that I don't believe you, but have you got a link/source for this? Wouldn't mind having a read.
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Diaz would retire, again.
Lolz!

This has got to be the funniest match up. The funny part is the Diaz camp think they can actually win.

My guess is it'll be a similar fight to that of Maia. We're gonna see a ton of leg kicks and Anderson toying with Diaz. Diaz plods forward and absorbs a copious amount of damage. I'm not sure how much damage he can take from the Spider til he gets short circuited.

But I'll definitely watch it cuz it's amusing.
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It wouldn't hurt his cred, but why bother? GSP's got it made at 170, he just beat his toughest test in Condit and who at 170 really stands a chance to beat him? Hendricks? Unlikely, Diaz? Probably not. Marquardt? It's an interesting fight but I'd still pick GSP. He has a lot of years left in his career and he could potentially tie or even break Anderson's title defense record.

If Anderson loses a fight and I think Anderson will lose soon, then Georges can still become the GOAT by never having to fight him. Look at what happened to Fedor, he lost a fight and now Anderson took his spot, if Anderson loses Georges can take his spot, and maybe in the future Jones will take Georges spot. He's young enough to eclipse all those records if he can remain champ.

I think it's a unanimous opinion, at least on this forum that if they do fight Anderson would probably beat him, I know many feel that way and I do as well, but if I'm GSP, why bother? All it takes for him to move up on that list of 'Greatest of all time' is to keep doing what he's doing and for Anderson to finally lose, and Georges is much more complete than Anderson so the chances of Anderson losing before he does is more likely.
GSP is never going to be known as the "greatest of all time" He won't Even be top 2. He will be the greatest WW ever, but the dude is a beast and a coward at the same time. He doesn't take risks, never has. Everything he has ever done has been calculated. Even most of his fights aren't note worthy. I mean how many spectacular finishes does GSP have compared to guys like Anderson Silva, Fedor, Jon Jones... This stuff matters when your talking about GOAT.

To most people Silva will always people the greatest ever. The guy has fought in multiple weight classes. He takes huge risks in his fights and he's exciting. Jon Jones could possibly eclipse Silva because he is the same way. He takes risks in his fights, finishes people and wants to move up in weight and challenge himself.

I'm sorry, GSP is the man at 170lbs but he is afraid to take risks, and that makes him a coward.
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GSP is never going to be known as the "greatest of all time" He won't Even be top 2. He will be the greatest WW ever, but the dude is a beast and a coward at the same time. He doesn't take risks, never has. Everything he has evr done has been calculated. Even most of his fights aren't note worthy. I mean how many spectacular finishes does GSP have compared to guys like Anderson Silva, Fedor, Jon Jones... This stuff matters when your talking about GOAT.

To most people Silva will always people the greatest ever. The guy has fought in multiple weight classes. He takes huge risks in his fights and he's exciting. Jon Jones could possibly eclipse Silva because he is the same way. He takes risks in his fights, finishes people and wants to move up in weight and challenge himself.

I'm sorry, GSP is the man at 170lbs but he is afraid to take risks, and that makes him a coward.
I don't agree on the finishing part, he's already eclipsed Hughes who had some great finishes, whose to say he can't eclipse Anderson? Anderson has spectacular wins in amazing fashion, the front kick on Vitor, clowning Forrest, last second submission over Chael but GSP until the Shields fight hadn't lost a round in forever and that was partly because he got poked in the eye. Both guys are extremely dominant in different ways. So I don't think GSP needs to finish guys in order to take Anderson's spot, and I think he, Anderson, and Fedor are clearly the best fighters of all time atm.

Let's face the facts though if Anderson does fight Weidman next or whoever for that matter and he loses I guarantee you people will start saying GSP is p4p number 1 and with a few more defenses he's the GOAT. The thing Anderson has over everyone is he's undefeated, if he losses that zero then people will see him differently.

If Anderson went down, beat GSP and then went up and beat Jones he'd lock down that status as GOAT because that's something that very likely would never be accomplished again, but for now I think GSP can still eclipse him and establish his own legacy. The topic of "Who is the GOAT?" is very much a game of "what have you done for me lately?" Which is why Fedor's ten years of perfection isn't brought up anymore, Anderson could change that if he can beat GSP and Jones.
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It wouldn't hurt his cred, but why bother? GSP's got it made at 170, he just beat his toughest test in Condit and who at 170 really stands a chance to beat him? Hendricks? Unlikely, Diaz? Probably not. Marquardt? It's an interesting fight but I'd still pick GSP. He has a lot of years left in his career and he could potentially tie or even break Anderson's title defense record.

If Anderson loses a fight and I think Anderson will lose soon, then Georges can still become the GOAT by never having to fight him. Look at what happened to Fedor, he lost a fight and now Anderson took his spot, if Anderson loses Georges can take his spot, and maybe in the future Jones will take Georges spot. He's young enough to eclipse all those records if he can remain champ.


I think it's a unanimous opinion, at least on this forum that if they do fight Anderson would probably beat him, I know many feel that way and I do as well, but if I'm GSP, why bother? All it takes for him to move up on that list of 'Greatest of all time' is to keep doing what he's doing and for Anderson to finally lose, and Georges is much more complete than Anderson so the chances of Anderson losing before he does is more likely.
Your whole first paragraph is the whole point. Some fighters and fans would say "why take a chance, he has it made" "no one looks like they can beat him, he makes a lot, he can brak records"

While other fighters like Penn for instance do it not for the money or easy route. They fight to fight. They fight for the challenge. They are not afraid to lose, or lose a little status. Not every fighter is about the safe "has it made" route. And some fans back those fighters for that very fact.

Different fighters, different people. GSP can do what he wants. But not all fighters do it for the reasons you lay out. And not all fighters are hung up on breaking records. Barry Sanders walked away from closing in on the all time NFL rushing record when he still had a lot left. Because records and individual marks weren't what he was playing for.

Some guys don't have the "why bother" attitude. Some guys have the "i am going to bother, and I am going to win" attitude.

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GSP is never going to be known as the "greatest of all time" He won't Even be top 2. He will be the greatest WW ever, but the dude is a beast and a coward at the same time. He doesn't take risks, never has. Everything he has ever done has been calculated. Even most of his fights aren't note worthy. I mean how many spectacular finishes does GSP have compared to guys like Anderson Silva, Fedor, Jon Jones... This stuff matters when your talking about GOAT.

To most people Silva will always people the greatest ever. The guy has fought in multiple weight classes. He takes huge risks in his fights and he's exciting. Jon Jones could possibly eclipse Silva because he is the same way. He takes risks in his fights, finishes people and wants to move up in weight and challenge himself.

I'm sorry, GSP is the man at 170lbs but he is afraid to take risks, and that makes him a coward.
I would submit that there are lots of folks who have GSP top 2 right now, based on how dominant he has been, the quality of guys he consistently fights, his win/loss ratio, etc.

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Obviously I'd love it as a fan of both. I said it when it was first mentioned that Diaz wanted to fight him in Brazil (where he'd be allowed to fight). Diaz has his hands way too low, and would probably get KOed, but I have that tiny bit in my mind which sees him having Anderson against the cage and Joe Rogan going nuts. I get adrenaline just thinking of it haha.

But into the actual scientifics of it, Diaz would probably get KOed. Anderson doesnt fight in a style where an iron chin works. Having an iron chin is effective when you stand your ground and expect the shots to come in. You can take a shot you expect SO much easier than one you dont. Diaz puts his hands down and expects every shot, but Anderson pretty much makes up shots whenever he wants. He'd probably have one of the greatest KOs of his career if he faught Diaz cause he'd pull out the shit that no one expects, landing a spinning hook kick or something insane. My dream fight though.
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