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post #51 of 61 (permalink) Old 12-01-2012, 11:03 AM
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Do not agree with the bolded part. Do agree with the other part though. Stamina isn't stamina. There are different types. A marathon runner would gas within minutes of being in a MMA cage. I'm not saying doing triathlons doesn't help at all with cardio but if the Diaz brothers conditioning program consisted primarily of trithlons they would gas quite easily and quickly.

This isn't something I've just come up with . I buy Fighters Only magazine every month and there was an article in the training session about conditioning. The dude said that the only thing long distance running is good for is long distance running.
I'm not here to say running, biking, and swimming give you great MMA cardio. And no one here said that is all Nick does.

But he has said that he doesn't do a lot of the explosive training that a guy like GSP does or many other MMA fighters. He says that is a better way in hurting yourself in training by doing short explosive workouts. Notice how the Diaz brother rarely ever have to pull out with injury. They keep healthy while training or they fight through it. Same can't be said for a lot of fighters who are "hurt" every year.

Sure there are MMA fighters who bike, swim, and run. Probably none on teh level of the Diaz brothers who said if they were to choose between MMA and those sort of races that they would choose triathlons and stuff like that. Either way the Diaz brothers have some of the best cardio in all of MMA. So the abundance of running and biking they do must be quite helpful in MMA cardio. They spar a lot too.

I have never seen them with ropes or doing weird shit that many MMA fighters do. Yet they don't gas...ever.

There has to be a correlation. No matter what they do, it can be said that they both have great work ethic and love for martial arts. They make sure they are on weight every time and they make sure they can go the full distance if they have too. That can't be said for a lot of fighters who routinely gas at the end of fights with their big old muscles and high tech training.
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pretty sure silva would take on both the diaz brothers at once
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pretty sure silva would take on both the diaz brothers at once
This could quite possibily be true. I was thinking the other day which fighters can actually take on multiple attackers.

5.) Brock easily because he can pick two people up and swing em around or simply pick "said" individual and use em as a shield and bull doze people.
4.) Hendo. Can you imagine fighting this guy. A pool stick or baseball bat would probably break on his head tickling him.
3.) Stephan Bonnar the fact that he becomes an "American Psycho" when he starts bleeding will be enough to scare people in a bar. He could be covered in blood and screaming expletives which would probably freak everyone out.
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1.) Anderson Silva - He can do what Bruce Lee did and fight against three people comfortably or a dozen people no problem.















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This could quite possibily be true. I was thinking the other day which fighters can actually take on multiple attackers.

5.) Brock easily because he can pick two people up and swing em around or simply pick "said" individual and use em as a shield and bull doze people.
4.) Hendo. Can you imagine fighting this guy. A pool stick or baseball bat would probably break on his head tickling him.
3.) Stephan Bonnar the fact that he becomes an "American Psycho" when he starts bleeding will be enough to scare people in a bar. He could be covered in blood and screaming expletives which would probably freak everyone out.
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1.) Anderson Silva - He can do what Bruce Lee did and fight against three people comfortably or a dozen people no problem.















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2? He could easily take on 12 men if he wanted.

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I wonder how many bouncers Anderson could simultaneously clown on the street. Any one ever remember that story of Randy and Hendo throwing about like 5 bouncers around like rag dolls, lol.

Trained fighters are on another level. Elite trained fighters.....imagine the damage they cud do on the street.
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Not a good match up for Diaz at all.

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Not a good match up for Diaz at all.
At least Diaz wouldn't have to worry about him shooting a double on em.

Butttt as much as I love Diaz, Silva would smile as he let Diaz tag his face.

Silva can take punches from Jorge Rivera like they're nothing... I'm not so sure Diaz's punches would have much effect, unless he hammered his body.




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Do not agree with the bolded part. Do agree with the other part though. Stamina isn't stamina. There are different types. A marathon runner would gas within minutes of being in a MMA cage. I'm not saying doing triathlons doesn't help at all with cardio but if the Diaz brothers conditioning program consisted primarily of trithlons they would gas quite easily and quickly.

This isn't something I've just come up with . I buy Fighters Only magazine every month and there was an article in the training session about conditioning. The dude said that the only thing long distance running is good for is long distance running.

I simplified it to get my point across that's all. Yea, just Cardio is on its own is not ideal, you need the "Muscle stamina" (the sort sprinters have) as well. I dont think triathlons are anything to do with training, they are a barometer for there Cardio-vesicular fitness....

I also think it depends on the style you want to fight, Cardio is preferred for someone like Diaz who grinds you down with light punches. Explosive guys like GSP or Melvin Guillard will be doing more sprints.
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GSP is never going to be known as the "greatest of all time" He won't Even be top 2. He will be the greatest WW ever, but the dude is a beast and a coward at the same time. He doesn't take risks, never has. Everything he has ever done has been calculated. Even most of his fights aren't note worthy. I mean how many spectacular finishes does GSP have compared to guys like Anderson Silva, Fedor, Jon Jones... This stuff matters when your talking about GOAT.

To most people Silva will always people the greatest ever. The guy has fought in multiple weight classes. He takes huge risks in his fights and he's exciting. Jon Jones could possibly eclipse Silva because he is the same way. He takes risks in his fights, finishes people and wants to move up in weight and challenge himself.

I'm sorry, GSP is the man at 170lbs but he is afraid to take risks, and that makes him a coward.
I see your point here, and I think it has a lot of merit. I just wouldn't characterize GSP as a coward on any level. His calculating fight style gets him the win, and simultaneously leaves the fans wishing for a little more unpredictability in his fights. But to get in a cage with top tier fighters takes guts by itself, regardless of the game plan.
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