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Old 11-29-2012, 07:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'd like to think Cain is gonna put up a better fight this go round. That was a perfect hit to the temple in the first fight, it's gonna be hard to replicate that. If Cain dodges the first couple hits and gets in close, who knows what will happen with Cains devastating grappling.
As far as I remember, it was actually behind the ear, right there to mess up the equilibrium. But yes, it's going to be hard to replicate that punch. AND it's HW where one punch can easily turn the table. Before Dos Santos beat him, a lot of people thought that he'd reign the HW division for years. To count him out completely doesn't make sense.
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As far as I remember, it was actually behind the ear, right there to mess up the equilibrium. But yes, it's going to be hard to replicate that punch. AND it's HW where one punch can easily turn the table. Before Dos Santos beat him, a lot of people thought that he'd reign the HW division for years. To count him out completely doesn't make sense.
It took Junior a mere 64 seconds to figure him out the first time...

What has Cain ever shown that makes anyone think it'll be different this time around? When have you seen Junior taken down and kept down? Never in the UFC, when have you seen Cain dropped by punches? Twice, once of those coming against the man he'll be facing in his next fight.
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I'm with Voiceless really. Although the same can happen again, I think Cain had a lot of questions to ask. Alright LL, JDS has never been held down. But he's never faced a wrestler as talented as Cain. We never got to see what happens if Cain takes him down and smashes him up for a few seconds. I think his jitz is slightly overrated and I think Cain is probably the best GnP guy at HW, so it will be interesting as fuk to see this fight to me. Really 50/50.
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How many times did Tim Sylvia call it his belt when he didn't have it? BJ Penn had done it as well. Cain wasn't the first to do this.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I'm with Voiceless really. Although the same can happen again, I think Cain had a lot of questions to ask. Alright LL, JDS has never been held down. But he's never faced a wrestler as talented as Cain. We never got to see what happens if Cain takes him down and smashes him up for a few seconds. I think his jitz is slightly overrated and I think Cain is probably the best GnP guy at HW, so it will be interesting as fuk to see this fight to me. Really 50/50.
Cain had his leg and Junior easily shrugged him off, a one legged Junior at that.

I do think Junior's ground game is a mystery so I won't sit here and act as if he's completely dangerous off his back because, truth is I have no idea how good he is, because it's never been on show except for the moment when Carwin nearly had him a last second guillotine at the end of their fight but the fight was close to ending I don't think he tried to fight it. For the most part it's a mystery, he could be a wizard off his back or completely helpless, but there's a reason no one really knows what it's like, because he knocks people senseless on the feet.

Can Cain get him down? I guess it's possible but let's look at it like this, Cain cannot stand with him, that's been proven. So it's not like his gameplan is gonna be some big mystery, Junior also just recently fought a guy whose gameplan also wasn't a mystery in Frank Mir, and before all of this he was promised a Heavyweight title shot against the winner of Brock Lesnar/Cain Velasquez back in 2010 so he's been pretty much drilling his TDD hard day in and day out for the last two years, training with surely some of the best wrestlers in the world, because that's all he's faced is wrestlers and a submission artist in Mir whose only chance was getting him to the ground, that's all he's fought in the last two years. Shane Carwin could be considered a striker I guess, but he's got a wrestling background to go with his power punching so he still fits the bill of wrestler.

We also know Junior can take a shot, many don't feel Cain can. I don't believe the first fight was a fluke, it was an indication of Junior just being the better man, I don't think Cain gets KO'ed in 64 seconds again, I imagine he lasts longer this time but I do think an uppercut from Junior ends his Heavyweight run and sends him packing to 205 or Rich Franklin land if he can't make the cut and is stuck there which would be a shame because he is a great fighter and could beat a lot of those guys, with ease.
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Alot of fighters that had the belt like to call it their belt.

No big deal....
Usually guys saying these are great former champions though. Cain got KO'd in a minute by the same guy in his first defense, nothing about that belt is his to claim.
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Usually guys saying these are great former champions though. Cain got KO'd in a minute by the same guy in his first defense, nothing about that belt is his to claim.
He wants to be champion again... he considers himself the best im sure. So he calls it his belt because he believes he is the best.

Hell if i was a UFC fighter id start calling the belt mine after my first win. Id probably call the champion out after each fight and tell him to keep my belt warm. Lol
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It took Junior a mere 64 seconds to figure him out the first time...

What has Cain ever shown that makes anyone think it'll be different this time around? When have you seen Junior taken down and kept down? Never in the UFC, when have you seen Cain dropped by punches? Twice, once of those coming against the man he'll be facing in his next fight.

I dont think he figured him out JDS cant of learnt much from them 64 seconds, you can bet he is not thinking like you are....even i if had worked out his entire game in 64 seconds, that was then and this is now...
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Mannnnn, I hope Cain wins. I would LOVE it if Cain wins via the same fashion in which he disposed of Bigfoot. Highly unlikely but I can imagine becoming a lot more active on this forum if it did happen. I do like JDS but Cain is easily my favourite HW. After seeing him batter Lesnar and Bigfoot the way he did will always lie vividly in the MMA section of my memeory.
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It took Junior a mere 64 seconds to figure him out the first time...

What has Cain ever shown that makes anyone think it'll be different this time around? When have you seen Junior taken down and kept down? Never in the UFC, when have you seen Cain dropped by punches? Twice, once of those coming against the man he'll be facing in his next fight.
When had we ever see Lyoto Machida taken down and held down prior to the Jon Jones fight?

That didn't stop Jon from easily taking him down, elbowing his face up and then proceeding to choke him into unconsciousness.

If Cain comes in with the right grappling game plan, he could very well take Junior down and have his way with him on the ground. Junior still hasn't been tested by a truly elite level wrestler with a game plan for take downs, just like Machida hadn't prior to facing Jones.

Juniors ground game is finally going to be tested in this fight, and lets just say I don't think it will be passing with flying colours...

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