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Cain Velasquez: I'm going to prove I'm the best when I take my belt back

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#65 ·
I wish people would shut up with the "one legged" JDS comments.

From everything that's came out afterwards it seems as if both men were baring injuries - as is the case in most MMA fights based on what most fighters say.

It pisses me off how Junior and pretty much all of Black House have an injury to talk about after every fight.
 
#66 ·
Junior's not a member of Blackhouse and he was on crutches days before the fight, why are you so salty, breh?
 
#73 ·
I'll throw up about a mil on Cain as well even though I picked JDS the first time around. Where do I sign up!

I really feel that this will be a trilogy. I don't think I've seen a #1 and #2 clean out the entire division the way they have before in any division.

Fitch maybe on his rise, but he drew against Penn and got KOed by Hendricks. Cain made a huge comeback against Big Foot.

Everyone after their championship loss has spiralled down.
- Thiago Alves
- Thales Leites
- Demian Maia
- Nate Marquardt
- Travis Lutter
- Patrick Cote
- Chuck Lidell
- Wanderlei Silva
- Matt Serra
- Matt Hughes
- BJ Penn
- Mark Hominick
- Dan Hardy
- Koschek
- Jake Shields
- Kenflo
- Big Daddy Stephens
- Tito Ortiz
- Brock Lesnar forced into retirement possibily his diverticulitis playing a role.

The list is long.
 
#72 ·
It is an intriguing scenario, with a lot on the line for Velasquez. These two were always going to clash and I always favored JDS, since he entered the UFC I knew he'd hold the gold. Then when they finally meet, he comes out and beats Cain flawlessly... I'm with everyone who says Cain is a phenomenal fighter, but his fight with JDS wasn't competitive, no different to every other of JDS' UFC fights. Outclassed.

Hard to go against JDS in this one. They've both had 9 UFC fights, JDS has a tougher list of opponents, has beaten them more impressively, and Cain is one of them.
 
#74 ·
Cain will end up like Franklin after his second loss to Anderson Silva. There is no point in staying in the division because he will beat up any other contender in the division but a rematch against the Champion is absolutely out of the question. Cain will be forced to move down to LHW.
 
#84 ·
Stylistically, JDS vs Cain reminds me a lot of Chuck vs Randy.

And given the style match-up, Cain CAN beat JDS, but he has to be perfect. He can't make even ONE mistake. JDS can hit and miss because he only needs to make one shot count.

Stylistically, JDS is just a nightmare for Cain, but Cain is obviously still very very good and capable of winning if he doesn't make any mistakes.
 
#86 ·
I agree with this post. It does very much remind me of this historic trilogy. Randy had to be flawless to win, yet all Chuck had to do was time a punch when Randy had his hand down for some reason.

It's not that I think Cain can't win, it is just so much easier for JDS to win.
 
#85 ·
I hate how people on here think Jds can't be taken down, Cain tryed a half as*ed attemp. Cain will get Jds down and he won't get back up. Cain has power in his hands also, to say he didn't Ko Nog is a stupid comment. Cain has only ever gone to the score cards once, to say his win over Silva didn't show anything is just mind blowing, Cain showed he means business and destroyed silva on the floor.
 
#90 ·
:sarcastic09:

JDS isn't Bigfoot Silva. If you can't tell the difference, then please stop watching MMA immediately. Cain destroyed a second tier fighter. Good on him. He made his statement. But JDS is the champion, and for good reason. If Cain could destroy him, he would have in their first encounter.

People base their belief that JDS can't be taken down on the fact that he hasn't been taken and/or kept down since coming to the UFC. Cain also failed to take Junior down, regardless of the quality of his attempt. We're basing our beliefs off of empirical evidence. Whereas you're speculating and nothing more.

'Cain will take JDS down and he won't get back up'... and you base this off of what? Cain's taking down a slow and plodding Big Foot? Junior's stuffing of Cain's takedown attempt? Junior's KO of Cain? You base it off of absolutely nothing, and yet you have the balls to call out anyone who thinks that Junior will be able to stave off Cain's takedowns? Cool story, bro.
 
#92 ·
Im still amazed that people are calling the punch JDS landed a 'lucky shot'. He has hit most of the people he's fought with blistering heavy shots and the vast majority of them have gone down. Off the top of my Head I can only think of Nelson and Carwin who have managed to stay concious after eating a big shot from JDS.

Im not saying it is impossible, but I'd be very surprised if Cain can take one of those shots again from JDS and not go out. I'd also be surprised if It goes past the 2nd round.
 
#98 · (Edited)
As much as I hate to say this, JDS's 64 sec KO of Cain really isn't an much of an indication of how these two match-up. I'm not going to say JDS didn't didn't earn his win, because he certainly did. But I also think Cain caused himself to lose the last fight.

Cain utilized the absolute worst possible game plan when it came to fighting JDS. He stood on the outside, exactly where JDS wanted to fight, and allowed himself to get picked apart and KO'd. Cain has MUCH more tools in his arsenal then what he showed, and I think that will be evident in the second fight. If Cain can push the pace, clinch with JDS against the cage, use some dirty boxing and get some takedowns, Cain can surely get the 5 rd decision win. He has NCAA Div 1 wrestling. I'm pretty sure he can take JDS down, but the problem will be keeping JDS down. JDS's takedown defense reminds me of Chuck Liddell, very difficult to takedown, and when he does, he springs right back up.

If JDS can keep the fight standing and keep within boxing distance, I don't see this fight lasting more than 3 rds with JDS getting the KO.
 
#101 ·
So, your argument against me saying his status as a legend doesn't make him morally infallible is what? That I'm suggesting his legendary status automatically makes him morally dubious? That's a bit out of the left field.

If you're grasping at straws you don't have to reply, you know.
 
#102 ·
Everybody is talking about Cain and JDS injuries and how that could have affected their performances and fight result. Injuries are relevant issues and somehow they make through to the media and we all comment about it. If nobody discloses anything, we don't have elements to discuss anything. You lose a car race, you'll find smth to explain the bad performance and that could get down to minor details just like in any top sport. To suggest ppl who never been envolved in any scandal, assault, TRT cheating are lying when the're merely speaking their hearts out is beyond me.
So continue to make the odds to sound like reality. That's the way to go. :confused03:

So, your argument against me saying his status as a legend doesn't make him morally infallible is what?
Who would be morally infallible, kid? :confused03::confused03:
That I'm suggesting his legendary status automatically makes him morally dubious? That's a bit out of the left field.
Yep, and all of that, from start to conclusion came from your fantasious mind. :confused03::confused03::confused03:
If you're grasping at straws you don't have to reply, you know.
Good. You found application for the expression you learnt the other day from your big brother. See? That's how it feels to have the odds used against you. I bet you learnt that from your big brother. :happy01:

I'll repeat the quote for the last time. If you still don't get it, so you`re still 9 and buzz off.

Originally Posted by MMA-Sportsman
Certainly doesn't mean otherwise, but you like to make it sound like it does. This is more insulting than his "claims", but yeah, you were only 9.
 
#112 ·
...It's hard say to that this second meeting will be different than the first. It really comes down to 1 thing against JDS and that's getting taken down. If Cain cannot get Junior on his back or get him to the ground at all, he will be forced to stand. Cain is a killer on the feet but JDS's hands are title defending with his masterful timing and the nasty one punch KO ability he has over Cain. If Velasquez can get JDS down and hold him down, he certainly has the ability maul JDS and pound him till the ref stops it. If JDS springs back to his feet, It will be just a matter of time before Junior catches Cain flush and justs blasts away with brutal, powerful combos finishing him off...

...With all that said I hope it goes the distance
in a Hendo/Shogun rollercoster of a fight. That would be cool...
 
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