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Old 11-30-2012, 08:05 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Cain had his leg and Junior easily shrugged him off, a one legged Junior at that.

I do think Junior's ground game is a mystery so I won't sit here and act as if he's completely dangerous off his back because, truth is I have no idea how good he is, because it's never been on show except for the moment when Carwin nearly had him a last second guillotine at the end of their fight but the fight was close to ending I don't think he tried to fight it. For the most part it's a mystery, he could be a wizard off his back or completely helpless, but there's a reason no one really knows what it's like, because he knocks people senseless on the feet.

Can Cain get him down? I guess it's possible but let's look at it like this, Cain cannot stand with him, that's been proven. So it's not like his gameplan is gonna be some big mystery, Junior also just recently fought a guy whose gameplan also wasn't a mystery in Frank Mir, and before all of this he was promised a Heavyweight title shot against the winner of Brock Lesnar/Cain Velasquez back in 2010 so he's been pretty much drilling his TDD hard day in and day out for the last two years, training with surely some of the best wrestlers in the world, because that's all he's faced is wrestlers and a submission artist in Mir whose only chance was getting him to the ground, that's all he's fought in the last two years. Shane Carwin could be considered a striker I guess, but he's got a wrestling background to go with his power punching so he still fits the bill of wrestler.

We also know Junior can take a shot, many don't feel Cain can. I don't believe the first fight was a fluke, it was an indication of Junior just being the better man, I don't think Cain gets KO'ed in 64 seconds again, I imagine he lasts longer this time but I do think an uppercut from Junior ends his Heavyweight run and sends him packing to 205 or Rich Franklin land if he can't make the cut and is stuck there which would be a shame because he is a great fighter and could beat a lot of those guys, with ease.
Absolutely agree.

Cain is a great fighter, but I just don't think he can beat JDS. It is a shame because he is clearly one of the best fighters in the UFC. I hope he can make 205, where he would stand a decent chance of defeating Jones. Otherwise, he is going to play second fiddle to JDS for the rest of his career.
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Cain isn't moving down or going any where, his entire life he's thrived off the challenge of beating the bigger guys in competition and he's been largely successful. He's a true HW, and he looks to be completely focused and determined on getting the HW belt back. He's not just going to go away. He can fight Jones when he eventually moves up to HW.
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Cain isn't moving down or going any where, his entire life he's thrived off the challenge of beating the bigger guys in competition and he's been largely successful. He's a true HW, and he looks to be completely focused and determined on getting the HW belt back. He's not just going to go away. He can fight Jones when he eventually moves up to HW.
If he loses to JDS again in brutal fashion, where does he go from there? It would be near impossible to get another title shot, and I don't think Velasquez is content with being 2nd best in the world. Moving down would be the best alternative if he cannot obtain the heavyweight title.
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If he loses to JDS again in brutal fashion, where does he go from there? It would be near impossible to get another title shot, and I don't think Velasquez is content with being 2nd best in the world. Moving down would be the best alternative if he cannot obtain the heavyweight title.
He stays at HW, destroys more contenders until he gets another shot and fulfils his goal. In such a scenario, it won't be close to guaranteed that JDS would still be the champion. If Overeem were to beat JDS, which is a definite possibility, then Cain could fight against a different champion in Overeem.

I hate it when fighters move from their natural weight class because they lose twice against the same guy in their current division. To me, that's just giving up. You don't stop or give in until you overcome that challenge.
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JDS worked Cain out like Terminator. His computer vision noted habits immediately, making the takedown easy to defend before choosing the punch it knew Cain's head would be waiting for.

Calculated demolition, not lucky punch. A repeat is likely.
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1) I agree with the others who say that there is no real point in getting panties in a bunch over a statement like "Going to get my belt back". It is said all the time by everyone.

2) The problem with a KO as quick as JDS got is that he really doesn't have any sense of Cain. By that I mean, BJ Penn and GSP know each other very well from their fights. They know their habits, their quirks, etc, things that you can't get from watching video. JDS blew out Cain without Cain really ever getting started.

With the above said, I still think JDS will win this. But I only think he has 2 rounds to do it in. JDS has been known to coast when he knows he is winning, Cain has never in his life coasted through anything. For me the real factor will be if the fight goes past 2 rounds, how long can JDS handle the quick in and out movement of Cain. Eventually we will see cardio vs cardio and in that match-up I pick Cain.

Still my official prediction is JDS by KO/TKO at about 4 minutes into the first round this time. I think Cain doesn't have the strongest chin and he got lucky when Kongo found out that Kongo has a shitty ground game.
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He stays at HW, destroys more contenders until he gets another shot and fulfils his goal. In such a scenario, it won't be close to guaranteed that JDS would still be the champion. If Overeem were to beat JDS, which is a definite possibility, then Cain could fight against a different champion in Overeem.

I hate it when fighters move from their natural weight class because they lose twice against the same guy in their current division. To me, that's just giving up. You don't stop or give in until you overcome that challenge.
That's a valid point actually. "I couldn't make it in here so imma go down a class, maybe that division is weaker". Though i'm definitely not judging Edgar on the move.
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This fight is really defining for Cain's career. He needs a win so he doesn't get stuck.


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That's a valid point actually. "I couldn't make it in here so imma go down a class, maybe that division is weaker". Though i'm definitely not judging Edgar on the move.
I think Edgar did it for the Aldo challenge and nothing else. Just like I think he would go up to WW if he thought he would get a crack at GSP.
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I think Edgar did it for the Aldo challenge and nothing else. Just like I think he would go up to WW if he thought he would get a crack at GSP.
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When had we ever see Lyoto Machida taken down and held down prior to the Jon Jones fight?

That didn't stop Jon from easily taking him down, elbowing his face up and then proceeding to choke him into unconsciousness.

If Cain comes in with the right grappling game plan, he could very well take Junior down and have his way with him on the ground. Junior still hasn't been tested by a truly elite level wrestler with a game plan for take downs, just like Machida hadn't prior to facing Jones.

Juniors ground game is finally going to be tested in this fight, and lets just say I don't think it will be passing with flying colours...
That's a valid point but we've also seen Cain take a guy down and still manage to get dropped several times in a fight and the uppercut is the best way to catch a wrestler coming in and Junior has a nasty uppercut. Cain will have to be very careful when he picks his shots in this fight.
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