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Terror Kovenant · 11-30-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ClydebankBlitz

Yeah no way he out boxes him, but more "catches him". Like he is rushing the TD with no amazing successes, then he switches to an overhand and has JDS rocked. Might be hopeful but I think everyone will have a lot of respect for JDS' chin after this fight. I have a feeling he'll take some massive shots, Cain will rush for the KO, and JDS will avoid the follow up shots well and recover very quickly. Why am I predictiing this? Fuked if I know.

I already have great respect for JDS' chin. He is the only man to get hit by Carwin and not fall down. Say what you will about Carwin but he is easily the hardest puncher in the UFC.

**ClydebankBlitz** · 11-30-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror Kovenant

I already have great respect for JDS' chin. He is the only man to get hit by Carwin and not fall down. Say what you will about Carwin but he is easily the hardest puncher in the UFC.

I think his boxing skills allowed him to not get quite as impactful as all of Carwin's other victims, but yeah he has already proved he has a pretty good chin, but this will show it to the next level and put his name up there in the top few HW chins imo. Maybe he wins in 10 seconds with a KO but just how I expect it to go.

**MMA-Sportsman** · 11-30-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ClydebankBlitz

I hate when a fighter moves down cause they are losing, even if they are a major contender at the weight. Is Cain happy with NEVER being as good as JDS if he loses? If JDS beats him, he should keep training, beat everybody they put in front of him, and challenge AGAIN. He's 100% capable at HW, so why would he need to move down? Cause he cant beat someone?

Do you mean you hate only when they move down or generally changing weigh classes?
Do you disagree with Maia coming down to 170? Do you think that was a bad call he made?
What about Sonnen moving up?

rabakill · 11-30-2012, 03:56 PM

Sonnen going up was obvious, he got a title shot
Maia going down was obvious too, he's built for 170

The guy you quoted was talking about how someone moves because they can't beat the champ, like Rich Franklin did

**MMA-Sportsman** · 11-30-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rabakill

Sonnen going up was obvious, he got a title shot

He said he was going to 205 shortly after his second loss to Anderson. He was very vocal about his intentions of not being the second best. Later he got the title shot.

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Originally Posted by rabakill

Maia going down was obvious too, he's built for 170

It's not about being build it's about making weight.
So Big Nog is a natural HW and Little Nog is a natural LHW?
We are speaking about options, intentions.

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The guy you quoted was talking about how someone moves because they can't beat the champ, like Rich Franklin did

I know, but the question remains. If you've lost your motivation for whatever reason (double loss to the champ included)why should you get glued to something? Who said another category would not present different and exciting challenges?

**ClydebankBlitz** · 11-30-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MMA-Sportsman

Do you mean you hate only when they move down or generally changing weigh classes?
Do you disagree with Maia coming down to 170? Do you think that was a bad call he made?
What about Sonnen moving up?

Kind of what the other guy said, dropping down because they can't beat the champion. While Maia had a title shot at one point, his MW UFC career had become ropey, and a title shot never really seemed to be anywhere in the future. His body was more suited for WW anyways, and it's understandable that he realized that he could no longer compete at an elite level at MW and dropped down. Cain on the other hand CAN compete at an elite level, and the only reason he'd be dropping down would be if JDS was too good for him. If Demian Maia was turning away all challengers and constantly aiming for the title, I would have felt bad about him dropping, but unlike Cain he wasnt able to compete at that weight class. Cain's entire career is made up of smashing heavyweights, so he can compete as one of the best in the world and dropping down would be admitting that he isn't now, or will never be in his life, better than Junior Dos Santos, which is way too defeatist of an attitude for me to like the move (although he hasn't done anything so I'm not targeting him specifically).

Sonnen did the same in reverse. At LHW, Sonnen faced some much bigger and badder challenges than at MW, so his move isn't really taking the easy way out. He is facing someone who to me is an even more difficult challenge for him, Jon Jones, than the man he moved up from, Anderson Silva, so he is more accepting the losses and trying to carve out a more difficult route under the wall he faced at MW.

**The Best Around** · 11-30-2012, 06:15 PM

Lol ok Cain, whatever you say. He should be happy he was just gifted an extremely undeserving rematch.

rabakill · 11-30-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MMA-Sportsman

He said he was going to 205 shortly after his second loss to Anderson. He was very vocal about his intentions of not being the second best. Later he got the title shot.

his plan was to get a title shot as soon as possible, and look how it worked out. He'd never have gotten another title shot at 185. You're being a contrarian for absolutely no reason whatsoever, the situation is transparent, who do you have a problem with here that is making you want to argue?