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post #31 of 78 (permalink) Old 12-01-2012, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by the bad guy 13 View Post
True, but he hasnt faced a wrestler that does it all. Kicks, punches, elbows, reach, submissions, while jds is very one dimensional with his striking. JJ would outstrike him from the outside using his jab and kicks to the knee never giving jds a chance to get inside.
If you think Jones would beat Junior in a standup match you are delusional. Jones uses his striking to maintain distance and control the octagon, Junior uses his for damage. Because Jones has so little power Junior would be able to walk through anything Jones has and hit him, it would only take one punch to knock him down then he'd TKO Jones. It'd be very much like JDS vs. Cain 1, tko in the first. Jones is a beast, but he just doesn't have any power in his strikes and that would make it so easy for Junior to walk through Jones' reach. Those kicks to the knee would do literally nothing.

Just because Jones kept an old unmotivated power puncher in Rampage at bay doesn't mean he would do anything to the HW champ.

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post #32 of 78 (permalink) Old 12-01-2012, 10:45 AM
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Very interesting fight. I have JDS taking the stand up and Jones the ground fight. If JDS keeps it standing he has a good chance of beating Jones either by decision or ko. Once the fight goes to the ground there's no stopping Jones there and the fight could be over if it happens early in the round.
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post #33 of 78 (permalink) Old 12-01-2012, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by the bad guy 13 View Post
umm jds never gassed? he gassed hard against nelson and was visibly slower in the latter rds agaisnt carwin, and rashad never "almost" ko'd jj, you just reaching now. also JJ was still very green against bonnar when they fought, if they were to fight again jj would finish bonnar in 1 rd.
Jon's coaches think otherwise:

You're also highly overrating Jones' kicks to the knee. They're busy kicks that catch opponents off guard. They aren't very damaging and will never end a fight on their own. They're mostly to get into the opponent's head and distract from other things Jon is setting up.

I would still say Bonner would make it to a decision with Jones or possibly lose via cut maybe, but a finish in the first round is a bit much for one of the sports most durable fighters ever. Bones doesn't have the precise striking Anderson does, so a spectacular finish is probably out of the question.

Concerning JDS vs Roy: When you spend an entire fight punching a guy as hard as you can and he doesn't go down, that'll tire anyone. Junior spent the whole first round power punching and landing. I also think a lot of people were misled by Joe Rogan's commentary since he kept commenting on how Junior was tired but JDS was still throwing punches that were incredibly sharp. The slowing of his movement was more likely due to slowing down after realizing that Roy was not going to be an easy out.

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I'm not a fanboy of JDS or anything, I just truly believe he would maul Jon Jones. I've also taken issue with just how poor of an argument that you are presenting here by saying "Jones will kick his leg that = win." If you believe that then you cannot be helped.
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I'd personally pick JDS to win, but these threads are speculative at best. To say that Jones would pick JDS apart, however, is downright foolish.
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I'd personally pick JDS to win, but these threads are speculative at best. To say that Jones would pick JDS apart, however, is downright foolish.
Agree. I don't think he wins the fight at all if he stands most of the time. Reach isn't overrated. But the OP is overrating it. JDS would walk through anything he threw and land hard shots.

It would be an interesting fight because of Jones' wrestling and length. Not his goofy annoying kicks.

I would pick JDS to win that fight. But not saying Jones can't win. But Jones isn't going to win it standing and trading.
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jones has taken some heavy shots, his chin is A okay.
interesting that you picked Rampage for that pic, seeing as how the one time Rampage landed a clean shot on Jones, Jones literally turned his back and ran in the opposite direction.

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I'd say he's throwing up this thread for a reaction, but I'll respond out of boredom.

Jones has no fights at HW, and has never felt the power of any of the big punches, let alone the biggest. Honestly, I wouldn't be hugely surprised if Big Country put him out with an overhand. I don't see Jones being able to take a loaded up punch, and when he doesn't completley tower over his opponents like he does now and is facing some difficult opponents with heavy hands and good size, I wouldnt be too sure on his outcome. JDS would KO him to me. I'd be more interested in seeing him fight Stefan Struve, cause I genuinley think Struve would be able to stand with him if he got his jab working, and if he locked in even half of the armbar that Vitor had he'd easily be able to have the length to hang on to it and finish the fight. I'd actually put a bet on Struve for the win there.

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Alright a few points to address here.

1) To call JDS slow is idiotic. He is probably one of the, if not the, fastest heavyweight fighter in the UFC. His footwork is excellent and his hands are second to none. They are major reasons why he could dominate power punchers like Shane Carwin and Roy Nelson, simply because the he could hit them and get away before they could hit back.

2) Jon Jones is one of the least mobile fighters at LHW, mostly because he relies on having both a height and reach advantage in his fights. Against JDS he would still have reach (84 vs 77 inches) but both fighters are 6'4" meaning the extra force behind Bones' punches (from throwing down at his shorter opponents) is gone.

3) If you think Bones' reach advantage is going to play some huge benefit to him lets recall how JDS destroyed Stefan Struve. Not only does Struve have a longer reach than Jones, but he is also 7 foot tall. Junior made that fight look easy, getting within range and chopping the big man down in about a minute. Also, both Frank Mir and Shane Carwin had longer reaches than Junior but he managed to make those fights look easy.

4) Jones kicks are more annoying than effective. Rampage is simply an idiot and has almost never checked a kick in his career, so posting a bunch of pictures of Jones kicking him in the knees and hips isn't going to prove anything. Well, I'm wrong, it proves that Rampage can't defend kicks, but nothing else. Look, I can post pictures too!

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Struve's wikipedia article lists him at 84.5, the same reach as Jones

It had been remeasured by the UFC on 5/24/12 and was reported by Ariel Helwani

I'm not going to even address your first (this is the correct spelling of first by the way kid) point. Since it's just your opinion. I could have wrote you off as a nut-dangler but oh well.

JDS not only leaps in and out of his striking but forms his gameplan around that ability. Also he has never gassed in a fight, meaning he could keep that pace up for 5 rounds. I don't know how you can say that Jones is going to have a speed advantage when he has never utilized a quick gameplan. Jon Jones forces his opponents back with his rangy kicks and takes the center of the cage.

The reason I say JDS has a speed advantage is because he fights fast. Jones fights tall. What will end up happening if you put those fighting styles together, well if they are the same height and JDS has experience against guys with the same length (something that NONE of Jones' opponents have had thus far) then things will end catastrophically for Jonny-boy. If 5'11" Rashad Evans could almost knock Jones out then what is a man his own size going to do?

JDS is much better at adjusting to his opponents gameplan than you give him credit for. Shogun, while I love him, always just does whatever comes naturally to him, meaning that he will often fall into bad habits and not follow a gameplan. Rampage doesn't gameplan, he just tries to throw big bombs. Lyoto really gave Jones a hard time and was winning the fight pretty nicely before he got too aggressive and was taken down.

Jones doesn't really use his jab as much as he could, he likes to use kicks as a range finder because he likes to keep as much range as possible. Also his hands are not nearly as good as people would like to imagine. He often leaves them low, something he can get away with because of his height and is a problem for a lot of tall fighters.

Just think about this... if Stefan Bonnar gave Jon Jones his hardest fight and was also 6'4" what do you think someone that is much bigger, much stronger, much faster, and much much more skilled will do? Even if JDS and Jones were physically identical I would pick JDS because of his fighting style and his abilities.

Then again why am I wasting my time trying to use rational and reasoning. You're a Jones fanboy and are pretty uneducated about the sport and about fighting in general. Not saying I'm the smartest guy in the world but it's enough for me to end this discussion here having said my piece.
Gotta give ya credit on your excellent analysis all across the board.

Winnable fights for the LHW title holder.
- Pat Barry
- Mark Hunt
- Roy Nelson
- Schaub
- Mitrione
- Lavar Johnson
- Ed Herman
- Big Foot
- Tuscherer
- Madsen
- Cheick Kongo

Fights I believe he will lose.
- Cain
- Overeem
- Cormier

Somewhere in the middle.
- Frank Mir (He can catch people in the striking dept., but you know what would have happened had he grabbed a hold of that arm. *SNAP*)
- Struve
- Big Nog
- Carwin
- Werdum
- Gonzaga

So yah he's talented enough to make a dent in the HW division, but he'll run into issues with high level grapplers and BJJ practitioners who grab a hold of his lanky arms or especially his legs. Frank if he doesn't get KOed standing has a high chance of breaking a limb. All HW fighters pack a punch so that goes without saying.

I'm very confident he will make a foray into the HW division within the next three years.

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post #40 of 78 (permalink) Old 12-01-2012, 01:48 PM
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Well...We will find out soon enough... Jones is going to be moving up to HW because the LHW is the weakest division in the UFC right now besides 125lbs.

But I have JDS by quick KO...
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