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Old 12-03-2012, 09:33 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Am not joking when i say this but if this is true i want GSP to be cut immediately, no one deserves to demand that kind of money in any sport and i would be ****ing fuming right now if i was Dana.
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:04 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Do you also want Silva cut because he said he wants "50% of the UFC to fight Jon Jones?"
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:38 AM   #43 (permalink)
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[IMO] Luke Thomas broke this match-up down the best way it could possibly be broke down.



It's pretty long so if you have the time, it's well worth the watch.

If not, basically he explains that as far as negotiating goes, GSP is in a tricky spot when it comes to fighting Anderson Silva. The closer to 185 this fight happens, the more advantageous it is to Silva. But if Silva were to make a successful cut to 170, it would only make sense for this fight to be for a title. So the best advantage for GSP without possibly losing his title is for the fight to happen at around 172 - 174 lbs. But at the same time, people would start questioning how much of a difference 2 - 4 extra lbs make when it comes to how the fight turns out.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:45 PM   #44 (permalink)
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[IMO] Luke Thomas broke this match-up down the best way it could possibly be broke down.



It's pretty long so if you have the time, it's well worth the watch.

If not, basically he explains that as far as negotiating goes, GSP is in a tricky spot when it comes to fighting Anderson Silva. The closer to 185 this fight happens, the more advantageous it is to Silva. But if Silva were to make a successful cut to 170, it would only make sense for this fight to be for a title. So the best advantage for GSP without possibly losing his title is for the fight to happen at around 172 - 174 lbs. But at the same time, people would start questioning how much of a difference 2 - 4 extra lbs make when it comes to how the fight turns out.
I haven't watched it (hour and half, no thanks) but that doesn't make sense. The most advantageous weight for the fight for GSP is 185. No matter what weight it is technically at, Silva has a weight advantage, he is going to walk into the ring at least 10-15 pounds bigger. Given that, better for GSP to have it at 185 where Silva's title is on the line but GSP's isn't, where GSP gets the most credit for winning and where his reputation suffers the least if he loses.

It is the same as GSP-Penn II, there GSP had to risk far more than Penn did. He was the bigger fighter, he has his title on the line, Penn didn't. Now GSP gets to freeroll from the other end. He should be jumping at the chance to do it and as a GSP fan I'm really disappointed that he isn't trying harder to make it happen (not that I believe the 50 million thing, that is obviously bogus) but GSP should be chomping at the bit for this fight and it is clear that he is reluctant.
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:53 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I haven't watched it (hour and half, no thanks) but that doesn't make sense. The most advantageous weight for the fight for GSP is 185. No matter what weight it is technically at, Silva has a weight advantage, he is going to walk into the ring at least 10-15 pounds bigger. Given that, better for GSP to have it at 185 where Silva's title is on the line but GSP's isn't, where GSP gets the most credit for winning and where his reputation suffers the least if he loses.
He's not talking about the circumstances surrounding the fight, but just strictly the turnout of the fight itself. I agree that if the GSP/Anderson Silva fight were to happen at 185 lbs, Silva would have a lot more to lose. P4P ranking, MW title, Endorcements etc... However as far as the fight turn out goes, Silva would have the advantage.

GSP has reitirated time and time again that if he were to go up and fight at 185 lbs, he would have to put on the necessary muscle and train his body up to 185 lbs which would take around 8 - 10 months. So basically he's saying the his primary weight class is 170. At 185 lbs, Anderson would be fighting at his natural weight class while GSP would be bigger and slower, which would be a huge problem for GSP. The primary purpose of this type of negotiation is so that Anderson can have the least advantage, not GSP (I will explain why after the next qoute). The lower the weight class that this fight takes place at, the more advantage GSP has because of how drained and weak Anderson would be.

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It is the same as GSP-Penn II, there GSP had to risk far more than Penn did. He was the bigger fighter, he has his title on the line, Penn didn't. Now GSP gets to freeroll from the other end. He should be jumping at the chance to do it and as a GSP fan I'm really disappointed that he isn't trying harder to make it happen (not that I believe the 50 million thing, that is obviously bogus) but GSP should be chomping at the bit for this fight and it is clear that he is reluctant.
It is the same as GSP/Penn as far as BJ Penn being the person who challenged GSP. Circumstantially, GSP had more to risk because his title was on the line, while BJ was fighting basically to gain a title and for pound for Pound rights. However, as far as the fight turnout goes, GSP had the advantage because GSP was in his natural weight class while BJ Penn was not. But that was the price BJ had to pay for being the person who challenged GSP, the responsability was on BJ to meet where GSP wanted to fight.

The same applies here. Because Anderson is the challenger, the ownis is on him to meet the requirements of GSP, not the other way around. it makes no sense to challenge someone who may/may not want to fight you, then on top of that, make them compete at an uncomfortable position.

I'm not going to say that GSP doesn't have the heart or toughness to take big fights or isn't a "True Fighter", but the difference between someone like GSP and someone like BJ penn or Nick Diaz is that GSP sees himself as a ambassador first, fighter second while someone such as BJ Penn sees himself as a fighter first, ambassador second. GSP's focus is more on building himself as a marketable UFC brand, and if he is to fight someone the may probably beat him (such as Anderson Silva) and cause him to lose endorcements, he would want the full beneficits that would nullify those sacrifices. BJ Penn on the other hand cares more about the competitive nature of MMA and wants to challange himself against the best possible people to see how good he really is, and doesn't really focus on endorcements, and legucy building (atleast not from what I heard). One guy may be a wealthy UFC representitive while the other may be seen as more of a fearless warrior to the fans.

Nice to see a GSP fan that actually wants this fight to happen for a change.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:14 PM   #46 (permalink)
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He's not talking about the circumstances surrounding the fight, but just strictly the turnout of the fight itself. I agree that if the GSP/Anderson Silva fight were to happen at 185 lbs, Silva would have a lot more to lose. P4P ranking, MW title, Endorcements etc... However as far as the fight turn out goes, Silva would have the advantage.


Nice to see a GSP fan that actually wants this fight to happen for a change.
Ah, I see, I thought he was talking about the fight more overall. Yes, of course purely from the standpoint of the actual fight GSP is better off the more Anderson has to cut.

As for GSP fans wanting it to happen, you seem to imply many don't. I think the vast majority of them do, even if they think GSP is likely to lose (which I think he is). They are the pretty clear #1 and #2, how the hell can you not want to see it?

Even if GSP had flat out said from the beginning "I don't want the fight." I'd still want to see it but I could understand where GSP was coming from. We have weight classes for a reason, he has a lot of reputation to risk, he wants to stay at 170 rather than screw around changing his body size a lot, etc, etc, whatever. That would be a reasonable position.

My main beef with GSP here is that isn't what he has said (for the most part). He keeps saying things like "Money isn't that important now, I fight for a legacy." or "I want to be the best ever.", etc. If he actually believes that, then he should be jumping at the chance to fight Silva. If he beats Silva he is the best ever, how could anyone say otherwise? This is his chance to stamp an indelible mark on MMA and he seems a little slow at taking that chance. When I see that I can't help but think one of two things:

1) This legacy talk is not true.

2) It is true but he really, really thinks he can't beat Silva.

Both are disappointing.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:52 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Well, GSP denied it and he's really not the type of guy to lie.
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You mean it was just a rumour, as was also stated in the original post?!
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