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**MMA-Sportsman** · 12-02-2012, 08:26 PM

Thanks for the feedback. It would be really hard to actually put a ban on it as it's the natural back up plan while the victim is defending the rear naked.

But the concern remains. The risk is higher then in other techniques (outside the other cranks mentioned), IMO. The "everybody would tap" idea is very subjective. A fracture can happen in an instant while you believe you'll be Ok.

Did you see the blood spurting from Story's nose? Tht indicates that along the crank, the blood flow in his veins was being constricted as well, increasing the blood pressure in his brains. He could pass out before tapping. The natural tendency in a perfect rear naked is the attacker to continue the squeeze as the guy goes limp while in the crank should be to continue the crank. Scary at least.

**Roflcopter** · 12-02-2012, 08:42 PM

Isn't the neck crank a spinal lock anyway.

I don't really think they fracture necks like that...

Usually the injury a strain of the ligaments in the spine.

I've never seen anyone get a tech sub or someone not tap from a neck crank though so...

cdtcpl · 12-02-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MMA-Sportsman

Thanks for the feedback. It would be really hard to actually put a ban on it as it's the natural back up plan while the victim is defending the rear naked.

But the concern remains. The risk is higher then in other techniques (outside the other cranks mentioned), IMO. The "everybody would tap" idea is very subjective. A fracture can happen in an instant while you believe you'll be Ok.

Did you see the blood spurting from Story's nose? Tht indicates that along the crank, the blood flow in his veins was being constricted as well, increasing the blood pressure in his brains. He could pass out before tapping. The natural tendency in a perfect rear naked is the attacker to continue the squeeze as the guy goes limp while in the crank should be to continue the crank. Scary at least.

I'll try to be as concise as possible. The ref is there to try and protect the fighters, if he sees someone go out then it is his job to call the fight in time and prevent any further danger. That is part of his job.

As a fighter, your #1 job is to make sure you don't die. That includes realizing that no one will think you are a bitch, chicken, coward, etc, because you tapped to a sub. I am not going to blame a fighter for breaking an arm, neck, etc, as long as he follows the rules and broke off when the ref told him to.

There are enough rules in place, we really don't need anymore.

**ClydebankBlitz** · 12-02-2012, 10:30 PM

You wouldnt believe how many people dont watch MMA because it has "rules". It's bad enough that this one hardcore fighting promotion has become a "sports company"...but the rules we have now shouldnt be softened anymore. The UFC is as safe as it ever has to be.

**Hammerlock2.0** · 12-03-2012, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MMA-Sportsman

Thanks for the feedback. It would be really hard to actually put a ban on it as it's the natural back up plan while the victim is defending the rear naked.

But the concern remains. The risk is higher then in other techniques (outside the other cranks mentioned), IMO. The "everybody would tap" idea is very subjective. A fracture can happen in an instant while you believe you'll be Ok.

Did you see the blood spurting from Story's nose? Tht indicates that along the crank, the blood flow in his veins was being constricted as well, increasing the blood pressure in his brains. He could pass out before tapping. The natural tendency in a perfect rear naked is the attacker to continue the squeeze as the guy goes limp while in the crank should be to continue the crank. Scary at least.

Necks don't break like that though. You could probably tear some ligaments or cause contusions but I've never heard of someone snapping somebody's neck like they do in the movies. It just doesn't happen. Didn't they do a mythbusters episode on that once?

**Liddellianenko** · 12-03-2012, 05:08 AM

Haven't seen any serious injuries with it yet, so I'm going to assume the pain ensures one knows when to tap.

The story crank was scary though, I was like man that guy's gotta be real f'ed up on the inside somewhere to bleed like that.

**Tyson Fury** · 12-03-2012, 05:42 AM

Just want to echo the sentiment that we really don't need to lose anymore techniques in MMA. Also, has the twister been banned? Or did I mis-read an earlier post?

**Hammerlock2.0** · 12-03-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyson Fury

Just want to echo the sentiment that we really don't need to lose anymore techniques in MMA. Also, has the twister been banned? Or did I mis-read an earlier post?

You probably misread my post. The twister is effectively a neck crank so it would be banned if neck cranks were to be banned.

RearNaked · 12-03-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Roflcopter

Isn't the neck crank a spinal lock anyway.

I don't really think they fracture necks like that...

Usually the injury a strain of the ligaments in the spine.

I've never seen anyone get a tech sub or someone not tap from a neck crank though so...

Mark Coleman has two nasty wins by neck crank.

Any mma fan who hasn`t watched all of Coleman and Randleman`s old fights in the UFC owes it to their self to watch them to see why we have weight classes and fouls in the first place. These guys absolutely destroyed people simply by being too big and too strong to deal with. If they got on top of you they could just pop your head right off with a neck crank or tie your hands up and just cave your skull in with headbutts caveman-style. I`ve always suspected that Ken Shamrock`s `broken hand` forfeit at UFC 11 was just a realization that if he got in there with Coleman he was going to get completely mangled. Coleman won a UFC tournament via being too scary for Shamrock to f*** with. Just beastly.

Randleman has a great `taste of your own medicine` moment when he comes up against Tom Erikson and finds out what it`s like to be the little guy and just gets his lunch served to him. It`s in a tournament in Brazil where Randleman is just running through everyone, then he tries that on Erikson and just gets served. That dude was freaking enormous.

In this pic he makes Randleman look like a little kid fighting an adult.