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HorsepoweR · 12-09-2012, 05:37 PM

BJ should go back to LW or retire, bottom line, end of story. Short and sweet.

AlphaDawg · 12-09-2012, 05:53 PM

No way they'd ever cut him. He'd retire before getting cut anyways.

Brydon · 12-09-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RedRocket44

This should be completely irrelevant, no matter what the discussion is.

It's BJs fault for taking fights against much bigger fighters. He can challenge himself at lightweight too -- I really doubt he would beat the top lightweights of today.

The beatings and damage he is taking by fighting these bigger WW guys is probably worse on his body than cutting weight is, anyways.

I don't see it as BJ "challenging" himself against bigger guys. There's plenty of skilled guys out there his own size, he just doesn't want to cut the weight to make 155. Some combination of laziness and stupidity if you ask me.

Edit: that said, I don't see him ever being cut from the UFC. He's just slipping more and more out of relevance. He could have been a gatekeeper at LW at one point I think -- instead he's become a punching bag at WW.

Your damn right there. The guy can't be bothered to cut 5 lbs to make lightweight. Who does he think he is assuming he can beat guys a weight class, maybe even two weight classes above where he should be fighting. Also the fact that he was saying he needs to drop bodyfat to beat Rory, assuming that is enough in this era of MMA is ridiculous.

He doesn't have any high level training partners, he doesn't do any high level strength and conditioning, he has a one dimensional boxing game. You cannot half arse everything and expect to win these days. The top fighters are elite athletes who make training a science and do everything they can to be the best.

BJ could rest on his laurels half a decade ago and still beat everyone not named GSP. But no longer. It just irratates me that we heard all this drivel about his fire being reignited (not the first time this rubbish has been spouted either) only to watch such a horrendous performance.

If BJ wants to be in the greatest ever convo, he needs to drop to 145 and beat Aldo to become the first person ever to win the title in 3 weight classes. He could easily make the weight in my opinion if he is walking around at a soft 160. He just needs to put the effort in.

Apologies for going off on one here. BJ just frustrates me so much by being lazy and doing all the wrong things and being a terrible example to young up and coming fighters. it is such a shame to see my former favourite fighter act and fight the way he is.

**Toxic** · 12-09-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brydon

Your damn right there. The guy can't be bothered to cut 5 lbs to make lightweight. Who does he think he is assuming he can beat guys a weight class, maybe even two weight classes above where he should be fighting. Also the fact that he was saying he needs to drop bodyfat to beat Rory, assuming that is enough in this era of MMA is ridiculous.

He doesn't have any high level training partners, he doesn't do any high level strength and conditioning, he has a one dimensional boxing game. You cannot half arse everything and expect to win these days. The top fighters are elite athletes who make training a science and do everything they can to be the best.

BJ could rest on his laurels half a decade ago and still beat everyone not named GSP. But no longer. It just irratates me that we heard all this drivel about his fire being reignited (not the first time this rubbish has been spouted either) only to watch such a horrendous performance.

If BJ wants to be in the greatest ever convo, he needs to drop to 145 and beat Aldo to become the first person ever to win the title in 3 weight classes. He could easily make the weight in my opinion if he is walking around at a soft 160. He just needs to put the effort in.

Apologies for going off on one here. BJ just frustrates me so much by being lazy and doing all the wrong things and being a terrible example to young up and coming fighters. it is such a shame to see my former favourite fighter act and fight the way he is.

Do you realize Penn brought in a stacked group of training partners for this fight? Tryrone Woodley, Josh Thompson, Ben Askren, Jay Heirion and Tarec Saffediene. Thats a pretty decent list of training partners.

I would love to see him drop to FW to because I think he could beat Aldo but its not his style. BJ has always taken the easy road in the gym and the hard road in the cage.

He has never in his career taken a warm up fight. He has never fought a can. Not many fighters can say that and you would be hard pressed to find anybody who competed at that level that long. To put in in perspective Ken Shamrock was still fighting for UFC titles when BJ fought for the LW belt the first time but to even imply there is any justification for cutting him is absurd. You know what last nights LW title fight was on free TV? Cause BJ was the only LW who has ever really sold PPV's, the man is truly an icon of the sport and isn't exactly losing to bums.

**OHKO** · 12-09-2012, 09:51 PM

No way. BJ is a legend. Either force him to fight at lightweight next or ask him to retire. There is absolutely no way the UFC will cut BJ.

**TheLyotoLegion** · 12-09-2012, 10:04 PM

He won't be cut, but it's time to retire or get back in shape and I'm talking become the killer that he was back when he dominated at 155, this Welterweight business just isn't working out, I have no idea how he would do at 155 nowadays but that was clearly the best BJ Penn there's ever been.

I haven't been watching MMA that long, only been watching since 2008 but it was really sad to see BJ and Shogun lose knowing the game has likely passed them by, they contributed a lot to the sport and now they're just getting ate up by a new breed of fighter.

suniis · 12-09-2012, 10:13 PM

I think we all agree that the UFC won't cut him.
Either BJ chooses to retire, or he chooses to continue.
If he chooses to continue, I hope the UFC won't let him fight at WW.

The thing is, BJ has been really good at building hype for his last 3-4 fights, but came up so short of late that people won't buy into it anymore.

UNLESS, BJ decides to go for one last run at LW.
I'm 100% sure the hype would be huge and everyone would buy into it, all hoping to see the greatest LW the UFC has known to retire on a high note, in spectacular fashion.

Everyone likes a come back. The thing is, they won't buy into the hype unless BJ goes to 155.

It's LW or retirement for him now...

ashokjr · 12-10-2012, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedRocket44

This should be completely irrelevant, no matter what the discussion is.

It's BJs fault for taking fights against much bigger fighters. He can challenge himself at lightweight too -- I really doubt he would beat the top lightweights of today.

The beatings and damage he is taking by fighting these bigger WW guys is probably worse on his body than cutting weight is, anyways.

I don't see it as BJ "challenging" himself against bigger guys. There's plenty of skilled guys out there his own size, he just doesn't want to cut the weight to make 155. Some combination of laziness and stupidity if you ask me.

Edit: that said, I don't see him ever being cut from the UFC. He's just slipping more and more out of relevance. He could have been a gatekeeper at LW at one point I think -- instead he's become a punching bag at WW.

Thats my thought too. His work ethics have never been great and I guess he is too lazy to indulge in a weight cut. Instead, he uses "challenges" as an excuse to fight at a heavier weight class.

**El Bresko** · 12-10-2012, 01:07 AM

Why would BJ get cut? Come on man, BJ is one of the best gatekeepers around. The only cutting that needs to happen to BJ is back down to 155 so he can fight Lauzon, Pettis, Guida, Nate etc. There's plenty of interesting fights for BJ at LW.

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