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Old 12-09-2012, 02:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Should Bj Penn be cut??

I know Bj Probabley won't be cut, but do you think he should?. His last 2 fights he has looked like a punch bag, last night I felt so sorry for the guy it was like he was being bullied, he looked scared. Bj is 1-4-1 in his last 6 fights with that 1 win against Matt Hughs. I know a lot of people consider him a legend, and one of the all time greats but should he really be cut.
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Absolutely not. One thing people seem to forget regularly is that BJ Penn never turns down fights, and in doing so he does the exact opposite of what every single fighter in the UFC does. I'm not taking anything away from Rory, but in reality what happend last night was a middle weight beat up a lightweight.

Every fighter, and namely every champion except Junior Dos Santos cuts down crazy weight to fight men that are hopefully a little smaller than them. BJ, does exactly the opposite looking to challenge himself.

Having said that though, the answer to your question is NO, hell no!! BUT... I think it would reasonable for the UFC brass to tell him his next fight, and the rest of his fights have to be at 155.
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The UFC needs to force him into retirement like what they did with Chuck Liddell. BJ has been surrounded by yes-men for a long time and he will never realize that his time has past.

The fact that BJ looked soft and pudgy says a lot about his "new" training and diet.

He'll get beat up at 155 also. He needs to be forced into retirement NOW!
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Every fighter, and namely every champion except Junior Dos Santos cuts down crazy weight to fight men that are hopefully a little smaller than them. BJ, does exactly the opposite looking to challenge himself.
This should be completely irrelevant, no matter what the discussion is.

It's BJs fault for taking fights against much bigger fighters. He can challenge himself at lightweight too -- I really doubt he would beat the top lightweights of today.

The beatings and damage he is taking by fighting these bigger WW guys is probably worse on his body than cutting weight is, anyways.

I don't see it as BJ "challenging" himself against bigger guys. There's plenty of skilled guys out there his own size, he just doesn't want to cut the weight to make 155. Some combination of laziness and stupidity if you ask me.

Edit: that said, I don't see him ever being cut from the UFC. He's just slipping more and more out of relevance. He could have been a gatekeeper at LW at one point I think -- instead he's become a punching bag at WW.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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BJ could still beat more then half the current WWs in the UFC and even a higher % of the LWs, so no she should not be cut but maybe accept/choose fights more wisely. Having said that, we all know BJ backs down from no fight b/c that is just who he is. The UFC brass could however be smart about it and only offer fights that make since but do we really think that is their priority?.....
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people are always so trigger happy when it comes to cutting people. it isn't about how many you lose, but who you lose to. when BJ loses to Amir Sadollah, we can talk about cutting him.
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If BJ wants to fight again, and were I DW, I'd stress that it would have to be at LW. BJ won't be cut. But hey may choose to never fight again.
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BJ could still beat more then half the current WWs in the UFC and even a higher % of the LWs, so no she should not be cut but maybe accept/choose fights more wisely. Having said that, we all know BJ backs down from no fight b/c that is just who he is. The UFC brass could however be smart about it and only offer fights that make since but do we really think that is their priority?.....
Not sure if I agree with your "percentages", but the smartest thing the UFC could do is convince BJ to fight at LW, and give him 2-3 middle of the road fights, hope he returns to his former self, and market a title fight (although he'd likely get stomped on).

If they got him to return to lightweight, and give him somebody like Pettis, and then a top 10 guy like dos anjos, cerrone or alvarez and he wins, they could possibly sell a LW title fight. Otherwise I have no idea what BJ is doing, other then collecting paychecks and getting thrashed in a division he shouldn't be in. I'd rather see him gatekeep in the division where he was once a champion, not get wrecked in a division that he will never accomplish anything in.
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You can't cut a legend like BJ, but I do think he should seriously consider staying retired before he ends up getting hurt. BJ got seriously beat up his last 2 fights and even if he comes back at LW I see guys like Bendo just tooling him.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:31 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Not sure if I agree with your "percentages", but the smartest thing the UFC could do is convince BJ to fight at LW, and give him 2-3 middle of the road fights, hope he returns to his former self, and market a title fight (although he'd likely get stomped on).

If they got him to return to lightweight, and give him somebody like Pettis, and then a top 10 guy like dos anjos, cerrone or alvarez and he wins, they could possibly sell a LW title fight. Otherwise I have no idea what BJ is doing, other then collecting paychecks and getting thrashed in a division he shouldn't be in. I'd rather see him gatekeep in the division where he was once a champion, not get wrecked in a division that he will never accomplish anything in.
My percentages are based on the divisions being mid-top heavy, 50% of the current WWs are not really that good (comparatively), BJ is better than average at that weight. I believe he is still pretty good at LW, maybe just outside the top 10 if that when he is at his best (15-20 range at worst).....
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