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Just keep in mind that every highly successful MMA practioner today has been forced to be well-rounded. This is not the late 80's/ early 90's any more. Back then there was a movement to see which discipline was most valuable and successful. What competetive MMA has shown us is that one must be capable and versed in many disciplines to be sucessful in MMA. That's why it's called Mixed Martial Arts.

Having said that, I also do think that a solid wrestling base prepares an MMA fighter with fundamentals of body control, leverage, and timing timing that can be applied in other disciplines. For example, IMHO GSP's wrestling, while outstanding, is nothing new or noteworthy. what sets him apart is his timing. Again, IMHO....GSP has top-notch, but not phenominal striking...but his timing on his takedowns is what makes him hard ot deal with. Add to that the fact that he focuses on top control as much as possible, even to the extent of giving up a risky, but fight-ending move, and he's turned into a fighter who makes the fight happen on HIS terms. Wrestling can be used to cover holes in other areas as well.

So to answer your original question... I think wrestling is one of three foundational concepts in today's MMA. Wrestling, striking, and cardio/athleticism. You must be average or better in all three in order to compete sucessfully in today's MMA world.

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I always say wrestling is the best base because it allows you do dictate where the fight takes place. Boxers/standup fighters aren't as effective off their backs and BJJ guys aren't as effective if they can't get it to the ground. Not only that it teaches/practices cutting weight and that brutal process usually helps with mental toughness.
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His wrestling is too big of a weakness, Weidman has the style to beat him, he's been taken down and controlled by far less skilled ju-jitsu guys in Sonnen and Lutter, Weidman gets on top of him and it's a wrap.
Isn't this the same thing we were hearing before the Henderson fight? Hendo was a strong wrestler with a Gorilla like clinch who before their fight only lost twice by submission to the Nogueira brothers. We saw how that fight went.

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No. MMA goes through cycles where different styles work in different divisions. It isn't uncommon to have a number of fighters with similar backgrounds all winning titles. By the way, there are four BJJ blackbelts holding belts right now (JDS, Silva, St. Pierre, and Aldo), five if you count Barao... so... not really a substantive difference.
I wouldn't call those BJJ guys tho. JDS is primarily a boxer, Silva and Also are MT guys, and St. Pierre is a karate that guy that has developed into one hell of a MMA practitioner. The fact they have BJJ blackbelts doesn't matter to me its not what got them the titles per say. It has helped them keep the titles sure but they're not straight BJJ guys like Maia or Souza.

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Isn't this the same thing we were hearing before the Henderson fight? Hendo was a strong wrestler with a Gorilla like clinch who before their fight only lost twice by submission to the Nogueira brothers. We saw how that fight went.
Hendo is a greco-roman wrestler, it isn't as effective in MMA for takedowns as freestyle is.


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Hendo is a greco-roman wrestler, it isn't as effective in MMA for takedowns as freestyle is.
Good point...so we are talking about the difference in Hendo and Sonnen?

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Isn't this the same thing we were hearing before the Henderson fight? Hendo was a strong wrestler with a Gorilla like clinch who before their fight only lost twice by submission to the Nogueira brothers. We saw how that fight went.
Dan Henderson's ju-jitsu game isn't even in the same galaxy as Weidman's who was going to points with world class grapplers such as Andre Galvao as a purple belt, and that was three years ago. Weidman is a monster on the mat.

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Demetrious Johnson, Dominic Cruz, Benson Henderson, GSP and Jon Jones are all wrestlers and dominant champions. Is it safe to say that wrestling is the # 1 fighting style on which to build a base as a true champion?
It's common knowledge that wrestling is the best base to start with. But i wouldn't agree with the title of 5 champs being the wrestlers. It kinda implies that they're pure wrestlers and nothing more.

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Dan Henderson's ju-jitsu game isn't even in the same galaxy as Weidman's who was going to points with world class grapplers such as Andre Galvao as a purple belt, and that was three years ago. Weidman is a monster on the mat.
He has to get it to the mat. Something I think Silva's underrated TDD will take care of.

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Just keep in mind that every highly successful MMA practioner today has been forced to be well-rounded. This is not the late 80's/ early 90's any more. [B] Back then there was a movement to see which discipline was most valuable and successful [B].
Correct.
And that question was answered quite clearly back then: Jiu Jitsu.

Today, as you mentioned, cross training will prevent this kind of single discipline dominance.


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