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post #51 of 56 (permalink) Old 12-11-2012, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tripster View Post
It is very difficult for people to grasp the notion that a fighter can be prominent in one fighting style when we are talking MMA, the very definition being MIXED martial arts. However it is a fact.

Since GSP considered wrestling in the Olympics, I think, adds some legitimacy to him being classified as a wrestler. Henderson really began his fighting career in highschool and college as a wrestler.

The thread is interesting because the ongoing discussions revolving around best fighting styles is a classic and given the current division champs, it's a great time to bring it up.
GSP had a snowball's chance in hell of making the Canadian freestyle team, and Canadian wrestling isn't very good.

What I'm saying is that if wrestling truly were the dominant martial art the best wrestlers in the world would also be the best mixed martial artists in the world. That just isn't the case. In fact, none of the current champions are/were even very good wrestlers (in the context of wrestling).

The best fighting style is mixed martial arts. It has taken on a entity all it's own far different from anything else. If we want to argue about the origins of the most important skills to have a mixed martial artist we can, but a good portion of what is considered "wrestling" in MMA is stuff that would never happen in any type of wrestling match.

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What makes GSP such a good wrestler in MMA prehaps wouldn't work in a pure wrestling match. It's his ability to threaten with punches and then switch levels and take people down, his explosiveness surely helps too.

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What makes GSP such a good wrestler in MMA prehaps wouldn't work in a pure wrestling match. It's his ability to threaten with punches and then switch levels and take people down, his explosiveness surely helps too.
And that is also a John Jones asset. Guy can hit you anyway he pleases from any angle using any body part and when he decides it's time to you to lay on the mat, you will lay on the mat. That's MMA wrestling at its finnest application and it doesn't matter he lackes the pure wrestling credentials of many other fighters.

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Demetrious Johnson, Dominic Cruz, Benson Henderson, GSP and Jon Jones are all wrestlers and dominant champions. Is it safe to say that wrestling is the # 1 fighting style on which to build a base as a true champion?
People have been saying that for ten years. And it's true. It's the best BASE. But it is in no way sufficient, in and of itself. Go in there with nothing but wrestling and the BJJ guys eat you for breakfast. You have to be at least about to defend striking, grappling and submissions.

Personally, I think it's just the full body nature of the training in wrestling.

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I have a theory that it comes to the fact the great majority of these fighters are Americans and wrestling is widely train in America since young age in many schools and continuing through university.
I guess this is something that is quite overlooked. As you can train wrestling in college in the US, there are probably a lot more people with a wrestling background in the US than with other disciplines. So also the pool with fighters having a wrestling background is much bigger, so it's also more likely to find good fighters with a wrestling background. On the other hand, most of the Brazilian champs probably never came in contact with wrestling before starting their MMA career, yet they obviously do pretty well.

So it's probably rather a question of availability concerning the base of a fighter. Later it's really about learning enough of ALL aspects of MMA and become a MIXED martial artist.
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