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Old 12-12-2012, 03:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jones and MacDonald - Is the hate justified?

This just came to me but I think it's reasonable to bring up.

Back in 2011 Jon Jones became nearly universally despised after winning the title, the reception he got when he weighed in against Machida and Rashad wasn't very good at all, and people began calling him a fake and phony saying his good guy Christian act was just that, an act.

Now in the last few months it seems as if Rory MacDonald has now become a villain in the build up to his fight with BJ Penn, many get the impression that Rory comes off as a weird guy, which I also get that impression but it's not enough for me to brand him a villian, he's changed a lot since his fight with Mike Pyle though.

Rory and Jon have one thing in common they both beat a beloved fighter from the "old school" which caused me to remember the time when Rashad Evans was universally disliked after he, much like Rory and Jon beat someone who the old guard of MMA fans loved in Chuck Liddell.

Is there something to this? Do the people who watched MMA during the 90's and the early 2000's have a problem with seeing guys like BJ, Shogun, and Chuck getting beat by a younger, new breed of fighter? Or do you generally feel like Jones and Rory are just bad people outside of the cage?
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think there is genuine reason not to like both. Especially Jones, who has more exposure then Rory and more chances to rub people the wrong way. I was a fan of Bones when he was making his run to the title, but then the closer the got to the title, the more he was in the media and the more I could see this is not the kind of guy I want to root for. I can't stand his personality. He is trying to portray an image as something he isn't. He pretends to be a humble, Christian man but his actions don't reflect that. He was very open about condemning fighters for their mistakes and even outspoken about drinking and driving specifically. Only to be busted shortly after for DUI while in the car with 2 young women who were not his wife/fiance. His is arrogant, he is fake, he is annoying. That's not hate, that's real.
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I used to hate Jon Jones because he had an odd personality from a fan perspective. That is until i met Rory Mcdonald,Rory Mcdonald might be the oddest dude I have ever seen in any sport. If Rory Mcdonald wasn't famous I would assume he is a psychopath. I got used to Jon Jones, time will tell with Rory.
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None of it is really deserved. I think it's a combination of their personalities but more that they are destroying some of the most beloved fighters of longtime MMA fans. Yeah they're both douchey but some of this crazy persona analysis that is seeming to run rampant in the MMA community is getting to be a bit much..
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None of it is really deserved. I think it's a combination of their personalities but more that they are destroying some of the most beloved fighters of longtime MMA fans. Yeah they're both douchey but some of this crazy persona analysis that is seeming to run rampant in the MMA community is getting to be a bit much..
Jon gives everyone plenty of material to work with. He doesn't do himself any favors, that's for sure. It's been a long time since he had an interview that didn't annoy me. He wasn't the one that dethroned my favorite fighters anyways. Most of those guys I hated for that reason have gained my respect over time.
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Jones deserves every ounce of hate he gets in the MMA world.

Rory I have nothing against, and I'm a huge BJ fan. I honestly don't know much about Rory.
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I think there is genuine reason not to like both. Especially Jones, who has more exposure then Rory and more chances to rub people the wrong way. I was a fan of Bones when he was making his run to the title, but then the closer the got to the title, the more he was in the media and the more I could see this is not the kind of guy I want to root for. I can't stand his personality. He is trying to portray an image as something he isn't. He pretends to be a humble, Christian man but his actions don't reflect that. He was very open about condemning fighters for their mistakes and even outspoken about drinking and driving specifically. Only to be busted shortly after for DUI while in the car with 2 young women who were not his wife/fiance. His is arrogant, he is fake, he is annoying. That's not hate, that's real.
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The difference (in my opinion) between the two seems to be that Rory speaks his mind honestly without fear of the repercussions ...whereas Jones tries to say what he thinks will get people to like him. Jones is trying to be a role-model. He's saying one thing but his actions are saying something else. Rory is at least consistent so far.

I don't know why people think Rory is such a weirdo. I think everything he said in the pre-fight was true, even if it meant "bad-mouthing" a legend. He was psycho-analyzing the fact BJ is fighting to live through how other people see him and speak about him. That's pretty thoughtful shit for a young guy to be thinking about. And I like it!

He's a thinker and I don't believe he will receive the same hate as Jones in the long run.

GSP grew up along the way (what about those cocky backflips??) and Rory will too. Jones & Benson will never be liked by all due to their radical religious behavior (in my opinion).

While I think it's fine to believe whatever you want to believe, I personally don't see the connection between Jesus and bashing another human beings face in. God helped you do that? Sigh.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:05 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Of course the "hate" is not justified for the simple fact that it is based merely on perception derived from a small sample of sound bytes from interviews etc.

Jones and Macdonald are not bad guys out of the octagon. Neither are Josh Koschek or Chael Sonnen or probably any other "villain" that fans might mention. I've met all 4 and they were all really down to earth guys.

Fans need to realize that seeing 0.01% of an athlete's life on tv doesn't mean you know them.

Especially when the sound bytes are coerced by asking the exact same provocative question 100 different ways.

Of course, no one is perfect. There are no doubt fighters who are a bit cocky and some will make business decisions that fans don't agree with.

That doesn't make them bad people or villains.
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