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Old 12-14-2012, 01:04 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Great card. Lyoto will pulverize Hendo with kicks, Hendo will counter with punches and hit thin air.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:11 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I love how people right off Hendo. Not saying he wins.

But these are generally the same people that said no way he beats Fedor. The same people that said Shogun would win that fight.

Well you guys are 0-2. If you keep picking against Hendo you will eventually be right. I just find it funny how people totally right him off.

If Machida wins it will be like the Rampage fight. Which sucks. Hendo will chase him around right hand cocked. Machida will play keep away most of the fight. Hate the matchup really.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:13 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I love how people right off Hendo. Not saying he wins.

But these are generally the same people that said no way he beats Fedor. The same people that said Shogun would win that fight.

Well you guys are 0-2. If you keep picking against Hendo you will eventually be right. I just find it funny how people totally right him off.

If Machida wins it will be like the Rampage fight. Which sucks. Hendo will chase him around right hand cocked. Machida will play keep away most of the fight. Hate the matchup really.
I hate to bet against Hendo, he's been amazing lately. BUT Machida will approach this fight with Hendo's last few bouts in mind, and he has the tools to avoid Hendo's kill shot while being busy offensively.

Lyoto won't run from Dan like he did Rampage, look at the Bader fight. Very different Machida there and no, Bader is not top 5 material, but the adjustments in Lyoto's game were obvious. He kept range but maintained offense with rangy strikes, breaking Ryan down before committing to punches.

Hendo is more than a step above Bader, but the dangers are similar.
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I hate to bet against Hendo, he's been amazing lately. BUT Machida will approach this fight with Hendo's last few bouts in mind, and he has the tools to avoid Hendo's kill shot while being busy offensively.

Lyoto won't run from Dan like he did Rampage, look at the Bader fight. Very different Machida there and no, Bader is not top 5 material, but the adjustments in Lyoto's game were obvious. He kept range but maintained offense with rangy strikes, breaking Ryan down before committing to punches.

Hendo is more than a step above Bader, but the dangers are similar.
I don't take much from the Bader fight because Bader offered nothing. At least Rampage still had some "fear" of good hands. Bader has some power but he doesn't have good hands. He stood in front of Bader and found a KO because he didn't respect any of Bader's skills or weapons. He WILL respect Hendo's right hand. People can say it is slow and what not, but it lands. Bader's hands, either one is in no way shape or form comparable to Hendo's H-bomb.

He's not going to KO Hendo in 3 rounds. I'll make any sort of wager anyone wants on that fact. If he stands in the pocket he is getting drilled with that H-Bomb.
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I don't take much from the Bader fight because Bader offered nothing. At least Rampage still had some "fear" of good hands. Bader has some power but he doesn't have good hands. He stood in front of Bader and found a KO because he didn't respect any of Bader's skills or weapons. He WILL respect Hendo's right hand. People can say it is slow and what not, but it lands. Bader's hands, either one is in no way shape or form comparable to Hendo's H-bomb.

He's not going to KO Hendo in 3 rounds. I'll make any sort of wager anyone wants on that fact. If he stands in the pocket he is getting drilled with that H-Bomb.
Lyoto doesn't fight inside, that's the point.
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I love how people right off Hendo. Not saying he wins.

But these are generally the same people that said no way he beats Fedor. The same people that said Shogun would win that fight.

Well you guys are 0-2. If you keep picking against Hendo you will eventually be right. I just find it funny how people totally right him off.


If Machida wins it will be like the Rampage fight. Which sucks. Hendo will chase him around right hand cocked. Machida will play keep away most of the fight. Hate the matchup really.
From a personal viewpoint, I never picked against Hendo in the Fedor/Shogun fights.

What I did do in the run up to the Machida/Couture fight though, is understand that Machida's timing, speed and TDD would simply be too athletic and complex for someone with declining attributes such as Randy, despite waves of people declaring that Randy would clinch and dirty box him him and grind him down until Machida lost.

Dan is a different kettle of fish, but I see Machida winning handily for some of the same reasons. Dan will not be able to take him down, he will be too slow to land much of anything on Lyoto, will most likely be picked apart at range with punches and kicks, knees if they do clinch briefly, and will be slowed down further. He has a punchers chance, that I don't see happening, therefore Machida wins easily, imo

This is not a slowed down sluggish Shogun he is fighting. Since Shogun/Machida 2, Shogun has declined vastly in speed and training/endurance, whilst Machida has maintained his speed and improved.

Also, there's only two times that we have seen a sub par Machida, imo - 1. when he lost his game plan against Shogun and was KO'd and 2. when he visibly worked through a mental problem in the aftermath of Shogun, versus Rampage, and came out the other side of it in round 3.

There's no way this fight will be as inactive as Machida/Rampage
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Lyoto doesn't fight inside, that's the point.
I know this.

But he sat there in front of Bader more than he did Rampage. Why? Because he didn't respect anything Bader could do. Bader isn't comparable to Hendo. He is a wrestler who may land a hard shot because he is a strong dude. He doesn't have near the timing that Hendo does. He doesn't hit as hard as Hendo. He doesn't have the chin Hendo has to wade threw punches.

Machida looked good. But a big part of his confidence and KO came from Bader not having anything for him. Bader a couple years ago was a wrestler with basic strikes. Still is. Hendo has been doing this for years. KOing real good fighters many times.

I don't think the 2 fighters are comparable. Will Machida pull what he did vs. Rampage? Maybe not. But I wouldn't be surprised. He may very well break Hendo down from the outside. But he won't be able too, nor will he try to do what he did vs. Bader. Because he probably actually respects what Hendo could do.

It isn't a very good stylistic matchup for Hendo. But neither was Fedor. Fedor had just as heavy hands. Faster. Better grappler. Was the bigger man. Had a real good chin like Hendo...

I just find it odd after everything Hendo has done as of late that some people are totally counting him out. Not just picking Machida. Counting Hendo out. Most of those are the same people who totally counted him out in his last 2 fights.
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This is not a slowed down sluggish Shogun he is fighting. Since Shogun/Machida 2, Shogun has declined vastly in speed and training/endurance, whilst Machida has maintained his speed and improved.
I respect everything you are saying. But I don't get why people say this? Shogun was a 2 to 1 favorite vs. Dan. Yea, after the fight people said he wasn't the same...because Hendo put it on him like no one ever had. You can't be fast and fresh when you get a handful of H-Bombs in the first round.

People are saying Machida is so improved...why? Because he KO'd Bader and 50 year old Couture? Taylor-Made opponents? And had 1 decent round vs. Bones? That means he is so improved? I myself wouldn't go that far. Maybe he is, but beating Randy at that stage and Bader at any stage doesn't prove much to me.

When Dan beat Fedor...Fedor was washed up even though he was like a 2.5-1 favorite over him and most people here gave Dan little chance. When Dan fought Shogun, maybe not you, but most here said Shogun is just better, more well-rounded, good chin. He should win. After, Shogun all of a sudden was considered slow and washed up.

If Hendo H-Bombs Machida will people say Machida is over the hill? It would go in line with what has happened before. I think Machida should be the favorite. But for people to write off Hendo is laughable too me. People don't learn their lessons.

If Hendo beats Machida people will act like Dan is such a beast after. Then when his next fight rolls around they will write him off again...
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Lyoto doesn't fight inside, that's the point.
He fought inside the pocket with Jones for just a brief moment and got dropped. He couldn't avoid Shoguns onslaught in the second fight and got KO'd.

This is really a pick em fight. If Hendo didn't have all of these injury troubles I'd probably lean towards him, but I got it at 50/50.
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