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Old 12-16-2012, 10:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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10-8 Rounds - What's with the increase of these?

So last night Colton Smith apparently got a 10-8 round somewhere along the way in his fight with Mike Ricci and at the FOX card they were giving 10-8's away like it was nobody's business, namely the Ben Henderson/Nate Diaz fight, Alexander Gustafsson got a 10-8 round against Shogun as well.

Now I'm not gonna dispute the overall decision, Ben clearly won and dominated as did Colton, but a 10-8? Sorry, but I'm not seeing 10-8 especially when Gray Maynard got a 10-8 for his beating of Frankie Edgar back at UFC 125, if those were 10-8's then Maynard should have got a 10-7 for what he did to Edgar.

It seems like judges are being very quick to give out 10-8 rounds and these could very well influence the outcome of a fight. Anyone else noticing we've seen a lot more 10-8's lately
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:34 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I suspect the FOX card opened the floodgates. Now we'll see an abundance of 10-8 rounds from judges who legitimately have no clue how 10-8 rounds work.
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To be fair, I believe it was only 1 of 3 judges that scored it 30-26.

I'm assuming that judge was working with the ref. That nut shot in the 2nd round did a lot of damage. It apparently wasn't illegal -- so the judge scored it accordingly

Seriously though - I would love if judges had to explain scores like this. There is no way in hell any of those rounds were anything other than 10-9, lay and pray rounds. Colton did absolutely no damage at all - that fight was an embarrassment.
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Siver Phan was scored 30-26, 30-25 and 30-24. It was pretty hard to wrap my head around the 30-24.

I think it might be an overreaction to the fans complaining that judges never score 10-8s.
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We've been screaming for judges to be more diverse and creative in their scoring. Now they're trying stuff out, so let's give them a chance and see if it gets good

I like the fact that 10-8's are popping up a bit more frequent now
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The judges are useless. They've been getting flack about scoring and using more 10-8s, so now they are using them more. But of course, due to their incompetence, most of these 10-8's are unwarranted.

It's just a big mess.
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The judges are useless. They've been getting flack about scoring and using more 10-8s, so now they are using them more. But of course, due to their incompetence, most of these 10-8's are unwarranted.

It's just a big mess.
exactly what I'm thinking. It's a response to complaining, but the judges are simply incompetent.

I'll be the first to admit I complain about judging system. I want to see more 10-8 rounds, etc... but if lay and pray rounds are scored 10-8 we are in trouble.
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We've been screaming for judges to be more diverse and creative in their scoring. Now they're trying stuff out, so let's give them a chance and see if it gets good

I like the fact that 10-8's are popping up a bit more frequent now
I'd like to only see 10-8's appear more if they're justified. But I'm really not seeing some of the recent ones, they seem very far fetched. Giving away 10-8s just because they feel they should will ruin scoring just as much as being afraid to give 10-8s.
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I'd like to only see 10-8's appear more if they're justified. But I'm really not seeing some of the recent ones, they seem very far fetched. Giving away 10-8s just because they feel they should will ruin scoring just as much as being afraid to give 10-8s.
Well that's my point exactly. A month ago they were never seen, even when justified. Now we see them too often. The judges are just in the process of adjusting, which I think is a good thing rather than them never changing anything
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We've been screaming for judges to be more diverse and creative in their scoring. Now they're trying stuff out, so let's give them a chance and see if it gets good

I like the fact that 10-8's are popping up a bit more frequent now
I don't mind them being more diverse and trying to improve because judging has been a major issue for years, but what I do have a problem with is them trying to pass off any round of Smith/Ricci as the same as the first round of Edgar/Maynard 2 when he dropped him four times and hit him over 90 times, I just can't subscribe to that. A round like the third of Mighty Mouse/Uncle Creepy 1 was a justifiable 10-8 same with the third round of Penn/Fitch, but I've always said Maynard should have got a 10-7 for that fight so my opinion of 10-8s and 10-7s might be a little different.

This is a slippery slope, after the first Machida/Shogun fight there was a massive outcry that the judges didn't score leg kicks and now you see fights like Boetsch/Lombard and those leg kicks that don't have much if anything behind them are being scored big time. I originally chalked it down to the Washington athletic commission but this fight was in Nevada and I still saw a questionable 10-8, if this is a frequent thing it's only a matter of time until someone gets an undeserved 10-8 and it screws up the result of a fight.
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