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Old 12-18-2012, 09:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Except carlos was running to the center of the octagon, just like he would do in a ring, right????
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:56 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Except carlos was running to the center of the octagon, just like he would do in a ring, right????
How should I know. I'm just saying I don't think fighting in a ring would give Diaz any advantage at all.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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If it were in a ring Diaz wouldn't be able to pressure Condit up against the cage and tea off on him. There's a lot more room to move when your back is up against the ropes in a ring as opposed to a cage.

I'd say a ring would easily favor Condit since most of Diaz's striking success comes from putting people against the cage.
Diaz would have a field day pressuring Condit in a ring.

A)It's a very small square, not some stupid giant circle with no angles.

B)Related to above, the huge difference in size would make it much easier for Diaz to engage Condit, rather than running marathons around the gigantic UFC octagon

C)A ring is square, it has corners. Pressure boxers tend to pin their opponents in a corner, giving them no room to breathe and tee off with combinations. That's heaven for Nick Diaz.

A small square ring easily favours a highly aggressive, combination puncher like Diaz as opposed to a huge circle with no corners. There's simply no room for Condit to run around. He'd either be:

A) Forced to fight and stand toe to toe with Diaz or

B) Actually use advanced footwork to out manoeuvre Diaz around the ring. Jogging in the other direction doesn't count for advanced foot work.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:41 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Diaz would have a field day pressuring Condit in a ring.

A)It's a very small square, not some stupid giant circle with no angles.

B)Related to above, the huge difference in size would make it much easier for Diaz to engage Condit, rather than running marathons around the gigantic UFC octagon

C)A ring is square, it has corners. Pressure boxers tend to pin their opponents in a corner, giving them no room to breathe and tee off with combinations. That's heaven for Nick Diaz.

A small square ring easily favours a highly aggressive, combination puncher like Diaz as opposed to a huge circle with no corners. There's simply no room for Condit to run around. He'd either be:

A) Forced to fight and stand toe to toe with Diaz or

B) Actually use advanced footwork to out manoeuvre Diaz around the ring. Jogging in the other direction doesn't count for advanced foot work.
Nice. Way to completely ignore my point.
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Nice. Way to completely ignore my point.
he didn't, your point that there is more room to run in the squared circle than in the octagon is flat out wrong.

"There's a lot more room to move when your back is up against the ropes in a ring as opposed to a cage"

%100 of UFC fighters would disagree, especially the former Pride ones
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:37 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Nice. Way to completely ignore my point.
I didn't ignore your point. Instead of Nick backing people up against the cage wall, he would back them up against the four corners of the ring. Check out the Takanori Gomi fight.
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Diaz would have a field day pressuring Condit in a ring.

A)It's a very small square, not some stupid giant circle with no angles.

B)Related to above, the huge difference in size would make it much easier for Diaz to engage Condit, rather than running marathons around the gigantic UFC octagon

C)A ring is square, it has corners. Pressure boxers tend to pin their opponents in a corner, giving them no room to breathe and tee off with combinations. That's heaven for Nick Diaz.

A small square ring easily favours a highly aggressive, combination puncher like Diaz as opposed to a huge circle with no corners. There's simply no room for Condit to run around. He'd either be:

A) Forced to fight and stand toe to toe with Diaz or

B) Actually use advanced footwork to out manoeuvre Diaz around the ring. Jogging in the other direction doesn't count for advanced foot work.
OFFS. So, let's change the rules for judging MMA fights, then let's change the ring from an octagon cage to a roped ring, then let the fighters light up a doobie before the fight, and force them to fight in a style most favourable to the way Nick fights .... anything else I missed that we can do to make it easier for Diaz to win? Should we have his opponents blindfolded and nail one foot to the canvas as well?

If Nick can't adjust to the circumstances, the same circumstances everyone else has to live with, and still win, then time to retire.
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OFFS. So, let's change the rules for judging MMA fights, then let's change the ring from an octagon cage to a roped ring, then let the fighters light up a doobie before the fight, and force them to fight in a style most favourable to the way Nick fights .... anything else I missed that we can do to make it easier for Diaz to win? Should we have his opponents blindfolded and nail one foot to the canvas as well?

If Nick can't adjust to the circumstances, the same circumstances everyone else has to live with, and still win, then time to retire.
Another poster jumping to wild conclusions for no apparent reason. Where did I say that the UFC should look to incorporate a ring? I just said that Nick Diaz vs Condit would likely be an entirely different story in a boxing ring due to Nicks style of fighting.

The ring/octagon both have their positives and negatives. I don't mind the octagon, but I do think it should be decreased in size by quite a bit.

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Old 12-19-2012, 01:06 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Sorry, but let's not pretend that a good counter puncher can't operate in a ring ... there are lots of counter puncher boxers that move backwards, there are lots of kick boxers that do so as well. There is no reason to believe that the fight results would have been significantly different in a ring vs a cage. Diaz has to be able to first stop the runner, then when he has him stopped he has to be able to do something with it.

If Diaz couldn't keep Condit still in the cage, there's no reason to believe he could have done so in a ring, and when Diaz did get Condit up against the cage he was not able to take advantage of it, letting Condit get off the cage and taking more strikes on the break. There's no reason to believe the same thing would not have happened in a ring.

All that said, there's not much of a chance that they will ever meet in a ring, and if Diaz wants much more of a career in the cage then he better stop whining about how people have found a way to counter his style and learn to come up with a better suited cage style, or just go away.
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