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post #21 of 150 (permalink) Old 12-20-2012, 01:15 PM
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God I hope Okami wins this one.

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That is a huge reach IMO. I think Weidman and Belfort beat him handily while fighters like Bisping and Sonnen (should he come back down) give him major problems. I think Okami is a better all around fighter as well.


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If you're going by resume he's #2. The only other option is Bisping.

Weidman has looked very good, but he's only beaten Maia (if we're talking about over-rated I'd start with him) and Munoz.

Belcher is more deserving of a title shot than anyone Anderson has ever faced as champion other than Henderson and Marquardt. Finishes over Palhares, Cote, and Gouveia and his most recent loss was controversial as hell (although I scored it for Akiyama myself, barely).

Bisping has more wins, but tends to win by decision and has some losses mixed in that were much more clear cut than Belcher's loss to the sexy one.
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Those wins aren't spectacular. None of them are top guys. Although the way Belcher won against Palhares was quite impressive, Palhares has never been a top MW. I am a huge Cote fan, but that guy hasn't looked good since he tore his ACL against Silva awhile back. And Gouveia isn't even relevant in that division at all.

I am not saying Weidman has the more impressive resume, but Belcher hasn't even beaten a top 5 MW, so I can't say he is #2.


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If you're going by resume he's #2. The only other option is Bisping.

Weidman has looked very good, but he's only beaten Maia (if we're talking about over-rated I'd start with him) and Munoz.

Belcher is more deserving of a title shot than anyone Anderson has ever faced as champion other than Henderson and Marquardt. Finishes over Palhares, Cote, and Gouveia and his most recent loss was controversial as hell (although I scored it for Akiyama myself, barely).

Bisping has more wins, but tends to win by decision and has some losses mixed in that were much more clear cut than Belcher's loss to the sexy one.
LMFAO!

Weidman's only wins are Maia, the guy who submitted Chael Sonnen regarded by everyone as the number two middleweight in the world and Munoz but Belcher's higher than him because he beat up Gouveia who isn't even in the UFC anymore, hasn't been for years, Palhares who doesn't have a single win over an active UFC Middleweight and no top ten fighters ever and Patrick Cote whose only win in the UFC in four years is a controversial DQ over Alessio Sakara...

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You're allowed to disagree, Lyoto. But to think I'm going to stop anything because of you is the real joke.

And fair enough, HitorGet. You have a sound argument, and we'll just have to see what happens.

Once be bashes Okami's face in, we`ll see where he stands in everyone else`s mind. People called me crazy when I said Hendricks was going to run through Kampmann and a lot of people disagreed when I said Nelson would walk through Mitrione. I try to rank fighters as much on ability as on record, and I think Belcher`s very good UFC record COMBINED with what I see as almost unlimited upside, puts him at #2 for me.

I think he would own Bisping and Weidman as well.

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If I remember correctly it was a boring fight. Belcher should take it.

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You're allowed to disagree, Lyoto. But to think I'm going to stop anything because of you is the real joke.

And fair enough, HitorGet. You have a sound argument, and we'll just have to see what happens.

Once be bashes Okami's face in, we`ll see where he stands in everyone else`s mind. People called me crazy when I said Hendricks was going to run through Kampmann and a lot of people disagreed when I said Nelson would walk through Mitrione. I try to rank fighters as much on ability as on record, and I think Belcher`s very good UFC record COMBINED with what I see as almost unlimited upside, puts him at #2 for me.

I think he would own Bisping and Weidman as well.
When you have to use Wilson Gouveia as your argument for someone being the number two middleweight in the world in 2012 your argument doesn't hold much weight to begin with. Weidman, Bisping, Belfort, Boetsch, Stann, Munoz, Rockhold, and Jacare all have better wins than him.

Belcher's also the only guy in the UFC that didn't convincingly beat Akiyama. Number 2 middleweight in the world? A serious threat to Anderson? lmao, no.

Also, forecasting a guy with a missile for a left hand knocking out someone with terrible striking defense doesn't exactly make you Miss Cleo or some shit.

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You're allowed to disagree, Lyoto. But to think I'm going to stop anything because of you is the real joke.

And fair enough, HitorGet. You have a sound argument, and we'll just have to see what happens.

Once be bashes Okami's face in, we`ll see where he stands in everyone else`s mind. People called me crazy when I said Hendricks was going to run through Kampmann and a lot of people disagreed when I said Nelson would walk through Mitrione. I try to rank fighters as much on ability as on record, and I think Belcher`s very good UFC record COMBINED with what I see as almost unlimited upside, puts him at #2 for me.

I think he would own Bisping and Weidman as well.
I'm pretty sure the general opinion was that Hendricks and Nelson were going to win.

Belcher's best wins are Palhares and Cote, both who are less than average UFC fighters. Meanwhile, Weidman has beat Munoz and Maia. Though I don't think Munoz is any good, he is still a way better fighter than Palhares and Cote. Also, as much as I dislike Boetsch, he has wins over Lombard and Okami, both top 10 opposition who are tested and proven to be elite fighters. To say that Belcher is #2 going by resume is absolutely effin' ridiculous.

Anyway, it is funny you talk about potential. If you think Belcher has more potential than Weidman, then well...really nothing much to say here. Belcher has fought for 6 years in the UFC and really has not accomplished much. Weidman is not even 2 years into his UFC tenure and he is widely considered to be the #2 middleweight in the world.

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Where they rank has no bearing on what will happen.

Should be a good fight. Okami's grappling may be the difference. But it isn't like Okami has been a world beater. He has been solid.

I think Belcher can rock him on the feet and would win that striking battle. On the other hand I think Okami can put him on his back. Will depend on which guy imposes what they do better. Belcher hits hard that is for sure. Okami is a pretty smart fighter though and will grapple.
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Alan Belcher has improved so much. Way more than Okami. Belcher via UD or TKO round 1.
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