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post #281 of 345 (permalink) Old 12-30-2012, 05:42 AM
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Boy was I wrong on that one. I had JDS winning by walk in the park in the early rounds.
Impressed by Cain, good job putting that win together.
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post #282 of 345 (permalink) Old 12-30-2012, 05:46 AM
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I felt really bad for JDS at the end, especially when he was inches from tears, asking the crowd why they were booing. Nice guy, just cannot stand how hard some people on this forum latch onto his balls.

A few thoughts:

- I was super impressed by Cain, I don't know how anyone couldn't be. He beat JDS in every facet of the game, striking, grappling, you name it. I was beyond surprised when he dropped him in the first with that punch, and landed that kick as well.

- JDS has proven to have really good takedown defense, even in this fight. I originally expected Cain to come out like a madman and take him down at will, but he gave Cain some major fits with his TDD. However, we did get to see what JDS is like on his back and he's actually very average. I expected more from someone who trains out of Team Nogueira.

- This puts JDS in a really, realy tricky situation and the heavyweight division is looking to be more confusing. Who does he fight next? He's literally just about cleared out the division. Carwin, Mir, Nelson, Struve, Werdum...Who the hell does he fight next? Cormier, who has said he won't fight Cain? Barnett maybe? Overeem is more than likely getting the next shot as Velasquez so JDS will need at least one more win to ean arematch, maybe even two.
Yah that was kinda sad. They should be cheering that he made the championship fight a five round affair. They got their moneys worth. He was beat, but not broken.

Cain knows this now that he could not finish JDS. So as I predicted, JDS will win the rubber match ending the trilogy.

This should also show how good GSP and Anderson Silva are to be able to retain their title for that long.

Great main events. JDS will be back stronger than ever.

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post #283 of 345 (permalink) Old 12-30-2012, 05:53 AM
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Now that you people mentioned it again...

The crowd ranks among one of the worst of all time. Effin' "fight capital of the world"...what shit man. They booed Pickett-Wineland, which was ridiculous enough. Then they booed JDS, after that guy fought his heart out for 5 ****in rounds. I wish JDS finds any one of those booers in a dark alley and bash their thick skull in.

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post #284 of 345 (permalink) Old 12-30-2012, 06:29 AM
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Dayum. Was expecting JDS to take this easily, but he got completely smashed. Cain has looked like a different guy in his last 2 fights. Mauled Big Foot, and now destroys JDS. Who's next? Cormier would be nice, but doubt those 2 will fight given they train together, so who else? Nelson?

Edit: Oh shit, forgot about Reem. Get that fight booked!

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Originally Posted by No_Mercy View Post
Yah that was kinda sad. They should be cheering that he made the championship fight a five round affair. They got their moneys worth. He was beat, but not broken.

Cain knows this now that he could not finish JDS. So as I predicted, JDS will win the rubber match ending the trilogy.

This should also show how good GSP and Anderson Silva are to be able to retain their title for that long.

Great main events. JDS will be back stronger than ever.
That made me laugh. Usually people say "As i predicted, so and so" when they actually predicted something that happened. But in your case you should say "So i predict, JDS will win the rubber match"

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post #286 of 345 (permalink) Old 12-30-2012, 07:58 AM
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I personally really, really can't wait for Cain to face Werdum. It's such an interesting stylistic match up to me. You have the top pedigree wrestler of the division matched up with an absolute wizard on the ground. Then on top of that, the two guys are quite evenly matched on the feet. It should make for an incredibly entertaining fight, never write off Werdum. He could quite easily lock a triangle onto Cain once he gets the take down. Can't wait for that fight.

As glad as I,am Cain won, there are still holes and still many improvements to be made in his game. I've thought it for a while, but he has almost zero BJJ or submission offense. I'd like to see him develop some what of a submission game with so many of his opponents just literally leaving their neck wide open for the taking.

There were several times throughout last nights fight where I was urging Cain on to seperate just a little bit from the clinch against the cage, but keep Juniors back against it and tee off and look for the KO/TKO. Instead he was so heavily going for the take down, he could have finished JDS with adjustments to his game last night.

Still a fantastic performance though, dominating one of the very best HW's in the world from bell to bell like that.
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post #287 of 345 (permalink) Old 12-30-2012, 08:49 AM
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JDS didn't even look like a top 10 heavyweight last night. It was mind-boggling how bad he looked.
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Originally Posted by BrutalKO View Post
...Their first meeting wasn't long enough or was it? Cain is a beast. No doubt that if CV can put JDS on his back and keep him there, his relentless pace of brutal mauling could finish JDS. I think Cain's best opportunity to win is to drag Junior into deep water. Cain has to use his superior cardio, keep moving and avoid getting caught. Velasquez has top tier stand-up but JDS has that sick one-punch finish to go along with arguably the best hands ever in the UFC HW division. The way Junior finished Mir was nasty. That last, straight right hand sent the solid 265 lb Mir flying back. Cain has a freakish puzzle to figure out. Scariest thing about Junior is that his timing is gold. Look for that hungry, bad intentions look in Junior's eyes. If Cain gets to Rd. 3 without getting caught and JDS starts gassing a bit, the takedown will be much easier for Velasquez. He will be in the driver's seat for the W. If Cain squares up with Junior early, he's gonna get caught and finished again. I hope this ends up in a sick war like it was intended to be...
...Glad I still have some insight. Not a bad pre-fight analogy post eh fellas? Congrats to Cain Velasquez- Now the baddest HW on the planet. I dare Overeem to test Cain now. Reem saw in JDS some of the best TDD get dismantled with Junior taking a beating. I think Cain can do it to Overeem as well...
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Disappointing fight IMO. JDS didn't show up, and when Cain was scrambling on his belly for those TDs in the 1st JDS should have been on him landing strikes. Cain should have put him away in the 2nd or 3rd latest aswell.
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I think a few of you really need to watch the fight again... but maybe this time with out such a strong bias.

I honestly didn't care who won this fight; I was just hoping for a good show. Because of this I seemed to see a completely different fight than a few of you.

I honestly baffled how anyone could question JDS heart. The dude got lit up in the 1st round(and ate quite a bit of punishment through out the fight). I think a lot of lesser fighters would have just been KO'd by the first big punch let alone all of the following shots. He was basically laying against the cage eating shots in the 2nd and 3rd, but there was a noticeable increase in JDS energy and output in the 4 and part of the 5. He didn't give up as some are alluding to, not in the least. That and if what Dana said about a broke Jaw in the second... you should all be ashamed.

My thoughts on Cain's performance was really back and forth during the first round. At first, I was feeling a bit embarrassed for him for some of those 'takedown attempts'. They were really really ugly. In the end I guess they served their purpose, but he sure could have put a little more effort into some of them.

I was really impressed with how he eventually set up the right hand with those 'takedown attempts' and he was all over JDS when he smelled the blood in the water. However, after that point my impression slowly decreased. JDS was completely incapable of defending himself in the 2nd and 3rd round and was still sitting prey in the 4th and 5th but I never felt like Cain really committed after that first round.

Complete domination by Cain but in the prefight Cain called said he wanted the KO and he had 5 rounds to do it and never committed.

His wrestling also looked pretty questionable later in the fight. He had eaten a few body shots by that point and had already been fighting for 15+ minutes but he was starting to look really sloppy again for a guy so touted for his technical wrestling ability.

I'm still not convinced one fighter is better than the other. SO far both have won a fight convincingly and did so by implementing a great game plan. I'm ready for the trilogy in 2014.

On a side note, the outcome of this fight helps keep the HW division moving so that's a good thing.
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