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Junior dos Santos 51 79.69%
Cain Velasquez 13 20.31%
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:48 AM   #291 (permalink)
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This is what I expected to happen in the first fight & I expected it to happen again this time.

I wouldn't say that it was a "lucky punch" in the first fight but I was sure it was mostly due to Cain looking slow coming off injury and as we learnt was also injured again.

Sure JDS gassed early but I doubt it was due to bad cardio rather than failing to handle the pressure Cain put on him.
Also Cains cardio looked way worse than it did before his injury if not for that he would probably have mauled him even worse.

I say Cain beats him 7/10 if they both are healthy.

They are the top 2 guys and in over all skill are pretty equal but Cain is a bad matchup for JDS due to the fact that IMO JDS has overrated TDD/wrestling.
He's never faced any good wrestler who tried to get him down before Cain.

Wrestling has always been the weakness of JDS but there hasn't been anyone to challenge him in it except Cain, perhaps Cormier & pre illness Lesnar but none of the fighters JDS faced before Cain.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:50 AM   #292 (permalink)
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Well, I didn't buy the fight so I didn't see anything, Thought JDS would probably take it, sounds like Cain had a good game plan and jR. thought it might play out like the first.. I like trilogies, we might see one if Reem don't mix up things too much..or werdum.
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:01 AM   #293 (permalink)
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Eh Cain wants to get that first fight out of people's heads you need to finish. JDS couldn't lift his hands at the end of the fight Cain ended up looking like he was scared of exchanges with a guy that didn't want to fight anymore.

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Nonsense.

What Cain did to JDS was worse then what JDS did to him the first match. It was total destruction for all five rounds. Cain stepped in and man-handled JDS showing the world the difference between what a complete fighter is and one that isn't even in the same ballpark.








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Old 12-30-2012, 10:09 AM   #294 (permalink)
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Now let's get JDS two wins so we can finally put an end to this trilogy.
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:27 AM   #295 (permalink)
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Scrap the Struve/Hunt fight and book JDS Vs Hunt. Then Junior can lose his second fight in a row, but this way via way of KO by the Super Samoan. (Deadly serious).
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:41 AM   #296 (permalink)
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JDS can stop Cain TDD all night long (or fast come back to his feet).
JDS can outboxe Cain all night long.
Unfortunaly, today, he was proven to be unable to perform both tasks at the same time.
That's why he was sadly dismantled.
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:51 AM   #297 (permalink)
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Dominating someone for 5 rounds is more impressive to me then a quick knock out.

ESPECIALLY if you cant repeat that knockout even though you are given 25 minutes. Clearly the first time around had a bit of luck behind it.

That said if you are so skilled that you can knock someone out quickly at will due to your superiority.. that is even more impressive. But JDS-Cain was never an example of that. No matter how hard JDS fans tried to believe it was.


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Im not trolling MOOSE. You must see it that way because your a bit sensitive since you most likely expected JDS to win.
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What are the **** are you talking about? he got JDS down straight away. Cain did have a lot of over anxious TD attempts though but thats because he was setting a frenetic pace.




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I mean cain did what he had to do and was the better fighter. But myself Nd the 2 others were laughing when rogan called it masterful.

First round cain looked like brock. Rolling on the ground got stuffed like 10 straight times not even close on many. Jds for some reason had his hands down allf fight long. Cain clipped him hard and jds looked like a zombie the rest ofthe way. Jds was dead yet still stuffed a lot of tds. Cain never once got jds to his back. Jds flopped on his back once to test his guard. But oter than that jds was on his knees and hands and easily hot back up severaltimes even late in the fight.

Cain dominated. But i wasnt that impressed with his wrestling. His cardio prevails many times in that division. When fresh cain looked like a novice. Jds has a good jaw tho.

Credit jds for staying tough. But as dead as he was cain should have dominated him more in the ground. He took him down anf out worked him. He didnt keep him there. And sarly in the fight he looked foolish shooting for tds.

I just didnt come away overly impressed. Was more disappointed that jds gassed in a round and a half. Ufc hws are not great athletes it is evident that cain is the only one with any sort of cArdio.

Jds was a gassed off balance mess half way through the 2nd.
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I mean cain did what he had to do and was the better fighter. But myself Nd the 2 others were laughing when rogan called it masterful.

First round cain looked like brock. Rolling on the ground got stuffed like 10 straight times not even close on many. Jds for some reason had his hands down allf fight long. Cain clipped him hard and jds looked like a zombie the rest ofthe way. Jds was dead yet still stuffed a lot of tds. Cain never once got jds to his back. Jds flopped on his back once to test his guard. But oter than that jds was on his knees and hands and easily hot back up severaltimes even late in the fight.

Cain dominated. But i wasnt that impressed with his wrestling. His cardio prevails many times in that division. When fresh cain looked like a novice. Jds has a good jaw tho.

Credit jds for staying tough. But as dead as he was cain should have dominated him more in the ground. He took him down anf out worked him. He didnt keep him there. And sarly in the fight he looked foolish shooting for tds.

I just didnt come away overly impressed. Was more disappointed that jds gassed in a round and a half. Ufc hws are not great athletes it is evident that cain is the only one with any sort of cArdio.

Jds was a gassed off balance mess half way through the 2nd.
Iv seen a few websites score the first round 10-8 for cain. I scored it a 10-9 personally but il have to rewatch.

How does a guy look like a Novice if he takes the round 10-8 in alot of websites eyes. Including MMAWEEKLY.

i dont think anyone scored it 10-9 for JDS did they??? So i guess if Cain looked like a Novice what did JDS look like? Someone who never stepped foot inside a MMA gym?
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I mean cain did what he had to do and was the better fighter. But myself Nd the 2 others were laughing when rogan called it masterful.

First round cain looked like brock. Rolling on the ground got stuffed like 10 straight times not even close on many. Jds for some reason had his hands down allf fight long. Cain clipped him hard and jds looked like a zombie the rest ofthe way. Jds was dead yet still stuffed a lot of tds. Cain never once got jds to his back. Jds flopped on his back once to test his guard. But oter than that jds was on his knees and hands and easily hot back up severaltimes even late in the fight.

Cain dominated. But i wasnt that impressed with his wrestling. His cardio prevails many times in that division. When fresh cain looked like a novice. Jds has a good jaw tho.

Credit jds for staying tough. But as dead as he was cain should have dominated him more in the ground. He took him down anf out worked him. He didnt keep him there. And sarly in the fight he looked foolish shooting for tds.

I just didnt come away overly impressed. Was more disappointed that jds gassed in a round and a half. Ufc hws are not great athletes it is evident that cain is the only one with any sort of cArdio.

Jds was a gassed off balance mess half way through the 2nd.
Those initial desperate looking take downs from Cain were fake take down attempts. They were used to trick Junior into thinking that Cain was going to be shooting for wild take downs from a huge distance away so he immediateley reacted by dropping his hands to try and stuff the take down. THEN when Cain started to notice his plan was working and Junior began dropping his hands because he always thought the take down was coming, Cain set up the big over hand and started smashhing him on the feet.

Personally, I'd call that masterful. Absolutely excellent and smart game planning and execution from Velasquez in that opening to round to get Junior to drop his hands and land heavy damage on the feet.
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