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***OFFICIAL*** Junior dos Santos vs. Cain Velasquez II Thread

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#1 ·
Heavyweight bout: 255 pounds
Five round fight for the UFC Heavyweight Championship

 
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#252 ·
To the mods getting giddy with warning the celebrating drunken Cain fans, the JDS backers have been obnoxiously gloating about how Cain has never really stood a chance before the fight even took place.

It's time for all of you suckers to eat crow and take your punishment like JDS did for five rounds against Cain. You guys got your asses whooped.

This is all in good fun remember and that's the beauty of this discussion and making bold predictions. You gotta be prepared to eat crow, apologise and suck it up if you lose, and celebrate like a maniac if you win!
 
#263 ·
I wasn't all that impressed with Cain's performance.

JDS was dead and couldn't put him away. When fresh Cain could not get him down. When JDS was dead he was still stuffing TDs or getting right back up.

I wasn't that impressed with this even though he clearly won the fight. Overeem might smash him if he has that crappy of TD attempts early.
 
#265 ·
The domination in the first round really showed a difference of skill level.

JDS managed to get that punch in the first fight. But Cain is the more skilled of the two obviously.

I think the third fight would be even more 1 sided then todays fight.

And alot of websites scored the first round 10-8!! Which i wouldnt argue.
 
#266 ·
The domination in the first round really showed a difference of skill level.

JDS managed to get that punch in the first fight. But Cain is the more skilled of the two obviously.

I think the third fight would be even more 1 sided then todays fight.
I really thought Cain was gonna be the more skilled guy what blew my mind was just how well he mixed things up and how much he threw JDS off. And secondly how tired Junior was. I just figured that at some point JDS was gonna catch Cain and put him to sleep because you can't train a chin and I still think Cain's is questionable. After one round it looked pretty clear that Cain had stole JDS soul and his punching power in 5 minutes.

Not sure how a 3rd fight would go, again I think it would be a much different fight. JDS one tool he was having incredible success with tonight was his body shots and it really appeared they were taking something out of Cain by the end of the fight so I would expect to see that be a more major focus for JDS in a rematch. I also think JDS would need to figure out a way to threaten or punish Cain for the TD attempts because even though JDS looked to be shrugging them off early in the first he was doing nothing to stop them from continuously coming and that allowed Cain to use them as a tool to open up without fear of being countered.
 
#267 ·
Totally agree with Johnny's post. Cain has great grappling....but his shoot ins look like Wimpy chasing after the cheeseburger that the pelican took. ...Thats an old popeye reference for all the kids in here. Plus why in the hell were people booing? Ridiculous. I doubt any of them were American, Japanese or Brazilian thats for sure.
 
#270 ·
Eh Cain wants to get that first fight out of people's heads you need to finish. JDS couldn't lift his hands at the end of the fight Cain ended up looking like he was scared of exchanges with a guy that didn't want to fight anymore.

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#276 ·
I felt really bad for JDS at the end, especially when he was inches from tears, asking the crowd why they were booing. Nice guy, just cannot stand how hard some people on this forum latch onto his balls.

A few thoughts:

- I was super impressed by Cain, I don't know how anyone couldn't be. He beat JDS in every facet of the game, striking, grappling, you name it. I was beyond surprised when he dropped him in the first with that punch, and landed that kick as well.

- JDS has proven to have really good takedown defense, even in this fight. I originally expected Cain to come out like a madman and take him down at will, but he gave Cain some major fits with his TDD. However, we did get to see what JDS is like on his back and he's actually very average. I expected more from someone who trains out of Team Nogueira.

- This puts JDS in a really, realy tricky situation and the heavyweight division is looking to be more confusing. Who does he fight next? He's literally just about cleared out the division. Carwin, Mir, Nelson, Struve, Werdum...Who the hell does he fight next? Cormier, who has said he won't fight Cain? Barnett maybe? Overeem is more than likely getting the next shot as Velasquez so JDS will need at least one more win to ean arematch, maybe even two.
 
#282 ·
I felt really bad for JDS at the end, especially when he was inches from tears, asking the crowd why they were booing. Nice guy, just cannot stand how hard some people on this forum latch onto his balls.

A few thoughts:

- I was super impressed by Cain, I don't know how anyone couldn't be. He beat JDS in every facet of the game, striking, grappling, you name it. I was beyond surprised when he dropped him in the first with that punch, and landed that kick as well.

- JDS has proven to have really good takedown defense, even in this fight. I originally expected Cain to come out like a madman and take him down at will, but he gave Cain some major fits with his TDD. However, we did get to see what JDS is like on his back and he's actually very average. I expected more from someone who trains out of Team Nogueira.

- This puts JDS in a really, realy tricky situation and the heavyweight division is looking to be more confusing. Who does he fight next? He's literally just about cleared out the division. Carwin, Mir, Nelson, Struve, Werdum...Who the hell does he fight next? Cormier, who has said he won't fight Cain? Barnett maybe? Overeem is more than likely getting the next shot as Velasquez so JDS will need at least one more win to ean arematch, maybe even two.
Yah that was kinda sad. They should be cheering that he made the championship fight a five round affair. They got their moneys worth. He was beat, but not broken.

Cain knows this now that he could not finish JDS. So as I predicted, JDS will win the rubber match ending the trilogy.

This should also show how good GSP and Anderson Silva are to be able to retain their title for that long.

Great main events. JDS will be back stronger than ever.
 
#277 ·
Tale of the fight IMO:
Cain came to TD and GNP.
JDS came to stuff TD and GNP at all costs.
Cain implemented his gameplan ferociously from the start.
JDS used his TDD and fast getting up talent to frustrate Cain inumerous times until Cain started to land his punches heavily still in 1st round.
By being so focused on TDD only and relying only on his chin, Junior ate several bombs, which dismantled his ability to fight back real quick, what gave him a Roy Nelson's night.

Tough fight. Cain was the rightful winner, but in no case there was no humiliation here. 5 rounds of championship heavy weight action and great heart from both fighters.
 
#283 ·
Now that you people mentioned it again...

The crowd ranks among one of the worst of all time. Effin' "fight capital of the world"...what shit man. They booed Pickett-Wineland, which was ridiculous enough. Then they booed JDS, after that guy fought his heart out for 5 ****in rounds. I wish JDS finds any one of those booers in a dark alley and bash their thick skull in.
 
#284 ·
Dayum. Was expecting JDS to take this easily, but he got completely smashed. Cain has looked like a different guy in his last 2 fights. Mauled Big Foot, and now destroys JDS. Who's next? Cormier would be nice, but doubt those 2 will fight given they train together, so who else? Nelson?

Edit: Oh shit, forgot about Reem. Get that fight booked!
 
#286 ·
I personally really, really can't wait for Cain to face Werdum. It's such an interesting stylistic match up to me. You have the top pedigree wrestler of the division matched up with an absolute wizard on the ground. Then on top of that, the two guys are quite evenly matched on the feet. It should make for an incredibly entertaining fight, never write off Werdum. He could quite easily lock a triangle onto Cain once he gets the take down. Can't wait for that fight.

As glad as I,am Cain won, there are still holes and still many improvements to be made in his game. I've thought it for a while, but he has almost zero BJJ or submission offense. I'd like to see him develop some what of a submission game with so many of his opponents just literally leaving their neck wide open for the taking.

There were several times throughout last nights fight where I was urging Cain on to seperate just a little bit from the clinch against the cage, but keep Juniors back against it and tee off and look for the KO/TKO. Instead he was so heavily going for the take down, he could have finished JDS with adjustments to his game last night.

Still a fantastic performance though, dominating one of the very best HW's in the world from bell to bell like that.
 
#320 ·
As glad as I,am Cain won, there are still holes and still many improvements to be made in his game. I've thought it for a while, but he has almost zero BJJ or submission offense. I'd like to see him develop some what of a submission game with so many of his opponents just literally leaving their neck wide open for the taking.
After all Velasquez did more offensive grappling than the BJJ black belt Dos Santos is supposed to be. Velasquez went for an armbar and a couple of times it looked like he would be going for Dos Santos' back, but the latter turned around in time. But Dos Santos did virtually no offensive grappling. He didn't even commit to a couple of situation where he could have tried for a sweep.
 
#290 ·
I think a few of you really need to watch the fight again... but maybe this time with out such a strong bias.

I honestly didn't care who won this fight; I was just hoping for a good show. Because of this I seemed to see a completely different fight than a few of you.

I honestly baffled how anyone could question JDS heart. The dude got lit up in the 1st round(and ate quite a bit of punishment through out the fight). I think a lot of lesser fighters would have just been KO'd by the first big punch let alone all of the following shots. He was basically laying against the cage eating shots in the 2nd and 3rd, but there was a noticeable increase in JDS energy and output in the 4 and part of the 5. He didn't give up as some are alluding to, not in the least. That and if what Dana said about a broke Jaw in the second... you should all be ashamed.

My thoughts on Cain's performance was really back and forth during the first round. At first, I was feeling a bit embarrassed for him for some of those 'takedown attempts'. They were really really ugly. In the end I guess they served their purpose, but he sure could have put a little more effort into some of them.

I was really impressed with how he eventually set up the right hand with those 'takedown attempts' and he was all over JDS when he smelled the blood in the water. However, after that point my impression slowly decreased. JDS was completely incapable of defending himself in the 2nd and 3rd round and was still sitting prey in the 4th and 5th but I never felt like Cain really committed after that first round.

Complete domination by Cain but in the prefight Cain called said he wanted the KO and he had 5 rounds to do it and never committed.

His wrestling also looked pretty questionable later in the fight. He had eaten a few body shots by that point and had already been fighting for 15+ minutes but he was starting to look really sloppy again for a guy so touted for his technical wrestling ability.

I'm still not convinced one fighter is better than the other. SO far both have won a fight convincingly and did so by implementing a great game plan. I'm ready for the trilogy in 2014.

On a side note, the outcome of this fight helps keep the HW division moving so that's a good thing.
 
#303 ·
I honestly baffled how anyone could question JDS heart. The dude got lit up in the 1st round(and ate quite a bit of punishment through out the fight). I think a lot of lesser fighters would have just been KO'd by the first big punch let alone all of the following shots.
Agreed. I thought he was going to get stopped at the end of the first, then when Cain got him right back down again at the beginning of the second, I figured `that`s it`.

But he just refused to quit.

This was probably the best HW title fight in UFC history.
 
#291 ·
This is what I expected to happen in the first fight & I expected it to happen again this time.

I wouldn't say that it was a "lucky punch" in the first fight but I was sure it was mostly due to Cain looking slow coming off injury and as we learnt was also injured again.

Sure JDS gassed early but I doubt it was due to bad cardio rather than failing to handle the pressure Cain put on him.
Also Cains cardio looked way worse than it did before his injury if not for that he would probably have mauled him even worse.

I say Cain beats him 7/10 if they both are healthy.

They are the top 2 guys and in over all skill are pretty equal but Cain is a bad matchup for JDS due to the fact that IMO JDS has overrated TDD/wrestling.
He's never faced any good wrestler who tried to get him down before Cain.

Wrestling has always been the weakness of JDS but there hasn't been anyone to challenge him in it except Cain, perhaps Cormier & pre illness Lesnar but none of the fighters JDS faced before Cain.
 
#292 ·
Well, I didn't buy the fight so I didn't see anything, Thought JDS would probably take it, sounds like Cain had a good game plan and jR. thought it might play out like the first.. I like trilogies, we might see one if Reem don't mix up things too much..or werdum.
 
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