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**Liddellianenko** · 12-26-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AmdM

I despise the use of TRT for sports usage, but the true is that i wish i could take that and improve my overall life quality. I'm 33, age is starting to pay it's dividends :P

You're pretty gullible if you think messing with your hormones will improve your overall life quality.

Make you feel younger while sterilizing you, giving you acne, mood problems, insomnia, man boobs, and a lifelong dependency isn't improving your life quality. It's short sightedness.

The only thing it'll truly improve is your doctor and big pharma's bank account.

**Ape City** · 12-26-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenryuken

So you don't know what TUE is?

Exemple:
If a doc give Fael a exemption for 10/1 level and he gets caught at 15/1, he's ****ed.
But if a doc gives him an 20/1 and gets caught at 15/1, he's OK.
So the level doesn't matter at all as long as he gets a TUE wich they conveniently "can't" disclose.

I'm pretty sure there is a limit to what is considered acceptable under most commissions. I think it is a 6-1 ratio.

Tenryuken · 12-26-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ape City

I'm pretty sure there is a limit to what is considered acceptable under most commissions. I think it is a 6-1 ratio.

That's the limit for people without TUEs, that's why when Fael and Ubereem got caught they said that they were allowed to use TRT from some docs, even Nate M used that defense because with a doc's approval your ratio can be off the charts.
Actually you don't even need a TUE when you're at 6/1, I think it's the maximum allowed for anybody.

**locnott** · 12-26-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Liddellianenko

You're pretty gullible if you think messing with your hormones will improve your overall life quality.

Make you feel younger while sterilizing you, giving you acne, mood problems, insomnia, man boobs, and a lifelong dependency isn't improving your life quality. It's short sightedness.

The only thing it'll truly improve is your doctor and big pharma's bank account.

Your pretty misinformed on ALL your information, Getting levels that are low to very low up to the norm will improve many areas of your over all quality of life without ANY of the problems you mentioned above.
Major abuse may are may not cause some or all of the problems you listed but just getting low levels up to what they once were will not cause those problems.

Although 33 is probably way to early to need TRT. Im in my mid 40's and started TRT about 6 months ago, My levels were low probably due to some past steroid abuse in my late 20's, hard to say for sure but I am glad i got my levels tested.

**Liddellianenko** · 12-27-2012, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by locnott

Your pretty misinformed on ALL your information, Getting levels that are low to very low up to the norm will improve many areas of your over all quality of life without ANY of the problems you mentioned above.
Major abuse may are may not cause some or all of the problems you listed but just getting low levels up to what they once were will not cause those problems.

Although 33 is probably way to early to need TRT. Im in my mid 40's and started TRT about 6 months ago, My levels were low probably due to some past steroid abuse in my late 20's, hard to say for sure but I am glad i got my levels tested.

Give it time bro... post back here in a couple of years about your miraculous fountain of youth. What you're doing is the equivalent of getting over a hangover by going on another binge... sooner or later, the buzz has gotta come down.

It doesn't take "abuse" to cause those side effects I listed, ask any user of "legit medical" TRT, the first thing they'll tell you is they're sterilized and unable to have kids. That is documented fact. And most others under "doctor supervision" will experience higher and higher number of these side effects as time goes on.

There are natural ways of bringing your levels back to normal you know. Slower and less convenient than jabbing yourself with more steroids, but ones without any side effects for real.

http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fit...ne-levels.aspx

**UFC_OWNS** · 12-27-2012, 03:57 AM

I don't have any problems with anyone using trt or roids or whatever especially since i'm pretty sure 90% of fighters are on it anyways, i'll never use roids when i'm fighting but I don't care if my opponent does and it makes a lil more satisfying knowing you overcame a physical disadvantage and challenge in the fight too.

**Liddellianenko** · 12-27-2012, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by UFC_OWNS

I don't have any problems with anyone using trt or roids or whatever especially since i'm pretty sure 90% of fighters are on it anyways, i'll never use roids when i'm fighting but I don't care if my opponent does and it makes a lil more satisfying knowing you overcame a physical disadvantage and challenge in the fight too.

That is assuming you do always overcome it Hercules.

You're telling me you'll be perfectly fine with it when a roid-head stomps your head into the mat? Or would you be tempted to even the odds and put your own health on the line for revenge?

**UFC_OWNS** · 12-27-2012, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Liddellianenko

That is assuming you do always overcome it Hercules.

You're telling me you'll be perfectly fine with it when a roid-head stomps your head into the mat? Or would you be tempted to even the odds and put your own health on the line for revenge?

well first of all no one yet has even come close to do anything to threaten me and before you say cans yes I know that, and second off whether or not it is a roid head trying to pummel me doesn't matter because I'd rather neither do that to me if I can help it. And i'm pretty sure roids don't give you skills and therefore don't give you championships like anderson and aldo and cigano and gsp have and what edgar did have.

**Liddellianenko** · 12-27-2012, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UFC_OWNS

well first of all no one yet has even come close to do anything to threaten me and before you say cans yes I know that, and second off whether or not it is a roid head trying to pummel me doesn't matter because I'd rather neither do that to me if I can help it. And i'm pretty sure roids don't give you skills and therefore don't give you championships like anderson and aldo and cigano and gsp have and what edgar did have.

I agree, roids don't give you skills, they can give a short term physical edge if you already have some skills though. But you're right, the champs are always the ones that take the high road.

Unfortunately not everyone would think as level headed as you just did, and IMO legalizing or tolerating such abuse encourages others to do the same. Just look at the explosion in the number of fighters going for TRT since Chael and Hendo opened the pandora's box.