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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 12-28-2012, 01:23 AM Thread Starter
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Dana White fearful that increased drug testing would result in widespread positive marijuana tests

LAS VEGAS – Dana White said Thursday that if he were to implement year-round, random drug testing of his approximately 475 contracted fighters, as many as 80 percent of them might wind up being suspended.

The drug he's concerned about, though, is not what you might think.

The outspoken UFC president reiterated his long-held position that drug testing by state athletic commissions is sufficient to police the sport. When pressed if he's considering a random, year-round drug screening process to try to eradicate performance-enhancing drugs from the UFC, White said he is not certain. He said it is something he's never considered previously.

Then, he conceded he's worried about a slew of positive tests if he did adopt such a regimen.

"Forget about PEDs," White said. "If we get into this system that we're talking about where we would randomly test these guys, do you know how many guys would probably test positive for marijuana? It would be probably off the charts.
"If you randomly test them and then [the results] came out, you'd get the exact same suspension [for using marijuana] as you do for using PEDs."

[Also: Cain Velasquez anxious to exact revenge on Junior dos Santos]

UFC matches are regulated in the U.S. by the state athletic commissions where the events are held. In Canada, they're regulated by the provincial governments. In parts of the world where there are no commissions, the UFC appoints Marc Ratner, its vice president of regulatory affairs, to regulate the shows and test the fighters.

Generally, fighters in the main event and in all championship fights are tested for performance-enhancing drugs and so-called drugs of abuse such as cocaine and marijuana.

Keith Kizer, the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, has been testing larger numbers of fighters after events in recent months. That has led to five drug-related offenses in boxing and mixed martial arts in November and December, he said.

Kizer has increasingly drug tested all of the fighters on a given card. Kizer will oversee UFC 155 on Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden and will choose which fighters are screened in addition to heavyweight title combatants Junior dos Santos and Cain Velasquez.

There is no formal prescribed penalty for fighters who fail their tests, though Nevada has been suspending fighters for six months on a first offense for marijuana usage and nine months for steroid use.

The length of the penalty for using marijuana disturbs White.

"I do not think the penalty should be the same for taking marijuana as it is for [using] performance-enhancing drugs," he said.

He's right on that point, though the the World Anti-Doping Agency's 2012 prohibited list covers that issue well. Marijuana usage is prohibited by WADA in-competition. It is not considered a violation for athletes following the WADA code if they test positive when they are not competing.
[Also: UFC veteran Joe Lauzon 'carrying the flag' for submissions in MMA]

However, there are a range of performance-enhancing drugs such as steroids that are prohibited at all times and will result in a penalty no matter when the violation occurs.
So, in UFC terms, if either dos Santos or Velasquez tested positive for marijuana prior to or immediately following Saturday's fight, they would be in violation of the WADA code and would face a six-month suspension. But if the UFC were testing them randomly and found in a test next month that one of them tested positive for marijuana, it would not be a violation.

That should allay White's very real concern about lengthy marijuana penalties while making the sport safer for clean athletes. Those who choose to artificially enhance themselves with steroids and other substances make themselves far more lethal than they otherwise would have been and need to be caught before a tragedy occurs.
White isn't yet willing to embrace year-round testing because of many concerns that he has, even though he concedes an enhanced fighter is no good for business.

"I don't even smoke marijuana, but it's [expletive] illegal and you shouldn't do it," White said. "OK? But the guys are going to get busted [for testing positive for marijuana] and they're going to get the same suspension they would for a PED. When you take a performance-enhancing drug and you go in and you face another fighter, you can hurt him. You know what I mean?

"But [giving fighters similar suspensions for using both PEDs and marijuana] is just crazy. It's so easy to sit there and say, 'Here's what you should do. Here's how you fix it,' but there are so many flaws in the system, it's just not that easy. It's not just, 'Hey, let's sign up this company [to do testing].' There's a whole [expletive] of things that would come about."

[Related: Watch UFC 155 live on Yahoo! Sports]
He said the goal of such expensive, year-round testing would be to eradicate PEDs, but said it would serve a vastly different purpose.

"Everybody thinks that if you did this random testing you'd catch so many guys on PEDs," White said. "No. You'd catch more of the guys on marijuana. That's where you'd really bust a lot of guys. ... We have 475 guys under contract and probably 400 of them would be out with marijuana."

That would be true were those 400 fighters to be caught with marijuana in their system as they are training for a match. But again, it wouldn't apply if the UFC hired a company that religiously followed the WADA code and randomly tested its athletes. An out-of-competition positive test for marijuana would be meaningless.

There are no easy answers and, as White said, there have been performance enhancers around as long as athletes have been competing for money.

But in a sport where there is a very real threat of serious injury, hard choices need to be made.
And the UFC, which has been a leader on so many fronts in regard to fighter rights issues, could do the right thing once again and champion year-round random testing for all of its fighters. Doing so would be a big step to slow usage of PEDs in mixed martial arts.


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No they wouldn't Dana.

Random all year testing would be done by an independent arbitrator, meaning the punishment would completely be up to the discretion of the UFC.


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Maybe he thinks they'd be popping a lot of guys for roids etc. but he's feeding this line instead. IDK. Either way, if it's against the rules & you're a pro, don't do it.

I also still firmly believe that MJ can aid some fighters. (dulls pain, for one. Heavy user here, too. It affects different people in different ways - it can't be pigeonholed like "it affects everyone exactly this way, every time, no exceptions". They should just have a stoner league. Diaz bros would be GOATs )
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being suspended for marijuana is like being suspended for drinking red wine

the society widely accepts it now as a recreational drug, similar to tobacco and even closer to alcohol.

on some level, it's dangerous for your health, just like alcohol or tobacco are (actually less so than alcohol)

I'm all for the banning of it, but in countries where it actually works and people don't use it such as Japan for example and other asian countries. But in the western world, the ban is pointless, it's like prohibition and favors the gang related activities while taking money and job opportunities away from the government and state, also disallowing the authorities any control over who's using it and how.
In the western countries, marijuana bans are mostly electoral positions to secure some votes (older people don't smoke, immigrants don't vote).

There is a wide gap between how marijuana is accepted by the society and how it is by the authorities.
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Bullshit, if they really did random testing I bet more than half of the guys would be suspended for steroids and diuretics. Weed would just be a sidenote.




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Bullshit, if they really did random testing I bet more than half of the guys would be suspended for steroids and diuretics. Weed would just be a sidenote.
that too, probably
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I strongly suspect Dana is pro steroids and on them himself. He went from skinny droopy shouldered wimp in his 30s to buff man in late 40s during his UFC career.

His policy on them seems more to be "don't get caught" rather than don't cheat.

Case in point, when Overeem got busted, he was more mad the he didn't tell Dana. The implication was that Dana didn't care about the steroids and would've just rescheduled to allow Overeem to cycle around the tests, he just cares about the PR.

And now this bs about weed.
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I strongly suspect Dana is pro steroids and on them himself. He went from skinny droopy shouldered wimp in his 30s to buff man in late 40s during his UFC career.

His policy on them seems more to be "don't get caught" rather than don't cheat.

Case in point, when Overeem got busted, he was more mad the he didn't tell Dana. The implication was that Dana didn't care about the steroids and would've just rescheduled to allow Overeem to cycle around the tests, he just cares about the PR.

And now this bs about weed.
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I strongly suspect Dana is pro steroids [...]

His policy on them seems more to be "don't get caught" rather than don't cheat.
Probably. That's like with most sports promotions/organisations. Look at the Tour de France. Top Athletes got caught every year and the organisation did nothing. It's all about business and money. Sports organisations want to deliver new records all the time to keep the attraction for the spectators. Roided athletes perform better, need less recovery time, are more likely to set new records and so on. So unless they get caught, athletes under PEDs are better for the business. So sports organisations prefer athletes to just not getting caught instead of not using PEDs.

Just look at the grey area. Dan Henderson, one of the more popular MMA athletes and cash cows probably couldn't compete at his age anymore without TRT. So the UFC for sure is quite happy with the medical exemption lookhole.

So for a clean sport, it's more up to the clean athletes to challenge their upcoming opponents to VADA testing and create an ambience where athletes that refuse are considered unclean.
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"We have 475 guys under contract and probably 400 of them would be out with marijuana."
Wow, really? I'm a regular smoker too but didn't realise how many fighters smoked it. Fair play, the numbers Dana gave are probably exaggerated but its still higher number than I'd have guessed. I shouldn't be too surprised though. Weed is literally the perfect way to chill after a work out or training session. It may not be the best for hormone production, but for aches and pains it does wonders. There is literally no pharmaceutical drug that has the same effect as cannabis. Well, not one you can get over the counter in the UK anyway.




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