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Old 12-29-2012, 12:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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A brawl?

I'm afraid you're gonna be disappointed.
Just wishful thinking.

Will be interesting to see if Nick's JJ since he'll surely be on the ground a lot.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:57 PM   #22 (permalink)
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To really sum it up it's 60% business/entertainment and 40% sport. There isn't a ruling body for official rankings nor a true ladder system. Factor in injuries, mother nature (Akiyama couldn't fight because of what happened in his homeland + Weidman losing his house in the hurricane, etc), suspensions, extraneous circumstances and you get what you have currently. A lot of fights get changed around.

It's best not to think about it. Imagine Joe Silva and Dana White what they have to deal with on a daily basis. They're constantly shuffling the line-ups out of necessity.

GSP vs Condit pulled in 700,000 ppvs

GSP vs Hendricks = 500,000 PPVS (The numbers will be reduced fairly significantly. Everyone buys PPVs to watch GSP fight, but it helps with a background story these days.)
GSP vs Diaz = 800,000 (My own estimation.)

$50 x 300,000 = $15,000,000

OP. My figures shouldn't be too far off. Factor in ticket sales as well which should be sold out. What would you do as a fighter, manager, trainer, and fight promoter.

Dana asked GSP what he wanted to do as a sign of respect. If he chose Hendricks I have no doubt it would have been greenlighted. GSP wants to pick the easier route this time around, but you know what he'll face Diaz sooner or later.

It's the path with least resistance. Sadly fighters like Hendricks and Weidman will have to continue marching forward. They NEED to understand that the current champions followed the same path for over a decade and they EARNED their stripes through battle. They gotta wait in line although they're both very close to title shots.

If you can't see the big picture then I dunno what else to say.
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:03 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Not in total agreement with Diaz getting this fight, but I'm not going to cry over it, what's done is done.

My question is, has Diaz started his usual bad mouthing conptemtious disrespectful madman rantings yet? Or doe she have enough brain cells left to realize he's likely going to get a full and complete 5 round beatdown this time, and isn't going to have any excuses to whine about after the fight?
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:16 PM   #24 (permalink)
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To really sum it up it's 60% business/entertainment and 40% sport. There isn't a ruling body for official rankings nor a true ladder system. Factor in injuries, mother nature (Akiyama couldn't fight because of what happened in his homeland + Weidman losing his house in the hurricane, etc), suspensions, extraneous circumstances and you get what you have currently. A lot of fights get changed around.

It's best not to think about it. Imagine Joe Silva and Dana White what they have to deal with on a daily basis. They're constantly shuffling the line-ups out of necessity.

GSP vs Condit pulled in 700,000 ppvs

GSP vs Hendricks = 500,000 PPVS (The numbers will be reduced fairly significantly. Everyone buys PPVs to watch GSP fight, but it helps with a background story these days.)
GSP vs Diaz = 800,000 (My own estimation.)

$50 x 300,000 = $15,000,000

OP. My figures shouldn't be too far off. Factor in ticket sales as well which should be sold out. What would you do as a fighter, manager, trainer, and fight promoter.

Dana asked GSP what he wanted to do as a sign of respect. If he chose Hendricks I have no doubt it would have been greenlighted. GSP wants to pick the easier route this time around, but you know what he'll face Diaz sooner or later.

It's the path with least resistance. Sadly fighters like Hendricks and Weidman will have to continue marching forward. They NEED to understand that the current champions followed the same path for over a decade and they EARNED their stripes through battle. They gotta wait in line although they're both very close to title shots.

If you can't see the big picture then I dunno what else to say.
GSP/Hendricks would have done more than 500,000. Probably 700,000 which has become the usual for GSP fights. Hendricks is a pretty easy guy to build up too and is a much more interesting fight than Diaz.
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1. Gsp asked for the fight.

2. Some people thought Diaz beat Condit, including Dana.

3. Diaz vs Gsp will make more money
Than any other welterweight challenger at this time.

4. Before the loss to Condit, Diaz was on a impressive 11 fight win streak.

5. Who really cares, we are the winners here.
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UFC is a business first, sport second.

Diaz/GSP is more marketable than Hendricks/GSP.

End of discussion.
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1. Gsp asked for the fight.

2. Some people thought Diaz beat Condit, including Dana.

3. Diaz vs Gsp will make more money
Than any other welterweight challenger at this time.

4. Before the loss to Condit, Diaz was on a impressive 11 fight win streak.

5. Who really cares, we are the winners here.
Dana is outright mental. Condit fought his fight and baited Diaz into situations that entire fight. That fight was ******* embarrassing for Diaz IMO.
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:21 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Like that Wu Tang was posted in here

But as apparently the official defender of the UFC, heres my take on everything.

1. GSP specifically asked for the Diaz fight. GSP is one of the more loyal and legendary fighters in UFC history, and he has never turned down a fight. What makes people think GSP is ducking Hendricks when he's fought and beat better men (Like Condit for example)? GSP hates Diaz. Diaz was trash talking GSP (To hype their fight, not to talk his way into a shot) and GSP desperatley wanted his chance to put Nick in his place. Dana wanted to reward the loyal and legendary fighter's consistancy by granting him this shot. To be fair aswell, it's not like Nick isn't one of the best if not the best WW not holding the belt now, so it's not the most farfetched decision ever. It was all down to GSP asking for this fight and Dana White obliguing.

2. Sonnen got the title shot 100% because he made Jones look like a bitch in the biggest rivalry of the year. Sonnen getting the shot originally was a worst case scenario, and Dana had no choice but to pick the first guy he could. When Jones turned it down, EVERYONE was talking about how much of a bitch he was throughout it all, and it made it very interesting. I agree, Sonnen should be nowhere near the title, but lets not act like we all didnt talk about this more than anything else this year, and lets not act like we wont be watching the shit out of this TUF. Bad decision for title prestigue imo but it's going to make some of the best TV in years iin UFC.

3. The continous talk about Ronda changed Dana's mind. Left right and centre people asked about her, and eventually he caved in and is giving it a shot. It might not be permanent but with Rousey's popularity it is worth a shot to give maybe the greatest female fighter of all time a shot in the greatest fighting company of all time.

Jeez, you'd think everyone hates MMA on here or something.
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:54 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Not in total agreement with Diaz getting this fight, but I'm not going to cry over it, what's done is done.

My question is, has Diaz started his usual bad mouthing conptemtious disrespectful madman rantings yet? Or doe she have enough brain cells left to realize he's likely going to get a full and complete 5 round beatdown this time, and isn't going to have any excuses to whine about after the fight?
Diaz may flip you off in the cage. May get in your face at weigh ins.

But where does he ever talk shit? We hardly even hear from him in between fights. When reporters ask him what he thinks will happen, he says its a fight anything can happen, we will see.

Diaz being a shit talker is extremely exaggerated by a lot of people. Outside of fight week he really doesn't even say a word. Not sure why people act like he talks so much....he talks a lot less than your average fighter.

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Dana is outright mental. Condit fought his fight and baited Diaz into situations that entire fight. That fight was ******* embarrassing for Diaz IMO.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But the fact of the matter is many fighters had Diaz as the winner. No not just your brawlers. Fighters ranging from Mark Munoz, Ellenberger, to Cody McKenzie, to Cung Le, to Pat Militich, to Chuck Liddell, to Anderson Silva, to Koscheck. From the soft spoken good guys of the sport, to the old guard guys, to current fighters like Kos and Ellenberger who don't even really care for Diaz.

No opinion is wrong. But FACT is A LOT of credible MMA fighters had Diaz winning that fight.

And from what I remember Dana had Condit winning 3-2. But his opinion doesn't even count. What is he supposed to say? Come buy Condit/GSP everyone! Even though I had Diaz as the winner! He has to back the guy he is promoting next. If Diaz was awarded the decision he would have said he had it 3-2 Diaz.

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Old 12-29-2012, 03:07 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Dana is outright mental. Condit fought his fight and baited Diaz into situations that entire fight. That fight was ******* embarrassing for Diaz IMO.
Agreed but unfortunately that translated into "Condit was running from Diaz the entire fight" for those who know jack shit about MMA.
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