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Old 12-29-2012, 03:08 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Talking in black and white terms wont work. Looking at is as a business or a sport? This is the fight game damn it! There's another element: grudges. Sometimes you gotta say "feck off" to rankings and reason. These two guys really don't like each other. They are both very highly ranked. Thats why the fight game throws these fights up. The fact that they are also the most profitable type of match up is the icing on the nipples.

Hendrix will be given another very winable fight and get slipped plenty of sweeteners along the way.
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^I believe Hendricks has Ellenberger on the same night MacDonald has Condit. It will probably work like Machida/Shogun did where the most impressive performer gets a title shot.
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:29 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Agreed but unfortunately that translated into "Condit was running from Diaz the entire fight" for those who know jack shit about MMA.
A few current fighters said he ran. But I guess you are and MMA guru and they don't "know jack shit".

The arrogance of people here is sad and pathetic.
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Whether you wanna call it strategy, running, gameplanning, effective movement he was still able to out point and ultimately beat Diaz and Condit showed that Diaz is not unstoppable machine on the feet.

And of course GSP will eventually turn to Greg Jackson for some strategy and GSP is athletic enough and good enough to utilize good movement and then he's got Danaher to keep him on a straight line and not let Nick **** with him enough to force him into making a mistake during the fight.
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Whether you wanna call it strategy, running, gameplanning, effective movement he was still able to out point and ultimately beat Diaz and Condit showed that Diaz is not unstoppable machine on the feet.

And of course GSP will eventually turn to Greg Jackson for some strategy and GSP is athletic enough and good enough to utilize good movement and then he's got Danaher to keep him on a straight line and not let Nick **** with him enough to force him into making a mistake during the fight.
Pretty much this (your biasedness is dwindling. That member of the month shit is going to your head haha).

Going into the fight with Diaz, Condit was getting smashed. Condit is a stand up fighter who stood up with Diaz, there was no chance he was winning the fight. Alas, he walks out with the interim belt and a shot at GSP. That took a lot of strategy and planning and is commendable in itself. My only issue was Condit saying he would KO Diaz before the fight, knowing full well that there was almost a zero percent chance that he'd do it with the strategy he intended to use.
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A few current fighters said he ran. But I guess you are and MMA guru and they don't "know jack shit".

The arrogance of people here is sad and pathetic.
Avoiding another fighter so you don't have to fight his fight is what is called a game plan, a game plan that worked and secured Condit the win. Anyone that thinks Condit was running from Diaz needs to get a clue.
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Avoiding another fighter so you don't have to fight his fight is what is called a game plan, a game plan that worked and secured Condit the win. Anyone that thinks Condit was running from Diaz needs to get a clue.
I never said he ran exactly. I said fighters have said that he did.

I never said it wasn't smart. It was the only way he could have won that fight. It was a good game plan.

But his game plan wasn't the old stick and move. If a boxer did that (this isn't boxing I know) he would get laughed out of there. Sticking and moving isn't jogging the other way. It is sticking and circling your opponent, not run to the middle. He didn't run the whole fight, but at times, yes he did try to play "keep away".

It was so effective that one of his teamates, Clay Guida tried the same thing because there was no other way he beats Maynard. Except he wasn't able to be very effective with it because he isn't the kicker Condit is and he isn't as talented. But Condit's fight was just a better executed version of what Clay tried and failed to do.

Just because people didn't like the game plan doesn't mean they are blood and guts fans who know nothing. Condit didn't stick and move in my opinion. He tried to out point him with 40% kicks. He went "for it" once the whole fight when he landed a high kick after a combo....and Diaz walked right through it. Maybe it is the new stick and move for MMA. But it wasn't what Frankie Edgar pulls off. Condit didn't move around the pocket and circle his opponent. He tapped Nick's leg and ducked a punch as he jogged to the center.

Thats how I saw it. That is how a lot of pro fighters saw it. Doesn't mean it is right or wrong. But don't sit here and explain to me what a game plan is like you are brilliant.
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To be fair though, I actually don't think it was the best showing of a gameplan. There is a shit load of disputes and shit as to who won and Diaz could have easily got a controversial nod from the judges. But then again, he loses stand up and faces Diaz subs on the ground....would have been a cu'nt to win otherwise.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:32 PM   #39 (permalink)
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It does'nt matter if you like, dislike, agreed or disagreed with Condit's game plan vs Diaz.

The bottom line is he did what he had to do and he got the win, that's all that counts.
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I'm not really a Condit fan although his fights are usually action packed. But I really think GJ specifically told em to employ that strategy. Also he fights similar to Cerrone who is also a fellow GJ fighter. He was the guinea pig on how to fight against the Diaz brothers. A forward moving game plan doesn't seem to work so to his chagrin he had to stick and move. It wasn't pretty, but he won.

All I can see is a bloodied Diaz with cuts all over his eyes, nose, and forehead after GSP is done. It's what he does best.
Cardio won't be an issue and he's probably 30% stronger. I seen him lift a 100lb kettle bell as part of his training regimen. You know how hard that is. Incredibly strong.
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