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Old 12-30-2012, 07:08 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Oh you mean that guy who got taken down by Shogun repeatedly? Yeah I think Reem will be a bloody mess, just like the rest of them.
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:10 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Why because your beloved Jds was smashed?.
Beloved!? I'm a fan of neither. Was just boring.
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:53 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Made alot of real money on this fight thanks to all of you JDS nuthuggers!
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:58 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Personally I thought that after the first 2 mins of this fight it looked like JDS had this easily in the bag. Valasquez was looking very very desperate in his takedowns and the first 4/5 of them were easily shrugged off and had valasquez sprawled on the floor.

At that point I was pretty confident that my boy JDS had it. Sadly due to the constant takedown attempts JDS lowered his hands every time Cain came in and that's when Cain landed that massive shot that was the beginning of the end.

I don't like Cain, but I definitely give him credit for that tactic. I believe he threw takedown after takedown on purpose to allow himself to throw the big overhand right.

Either way a decent fight, I kind of expected more from JDS though.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:47 AM   #25 (permalink)
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*Peers in through window from outside the Club of Cain*

Was not an original Cain fan but am continually impressed by his resilience.

Yes, he spammed takedowns without really caring about finishing them. He knew he had the cardio and pace to make JDS slow and unresponsive (and drop his hands).

Cain used a welterweight pace for a heavyweight fight.
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:11 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:34 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I don't like Cain, but I definitely give him credit for that tactic. I believe he threw takedown after takedown on purpose to allow himself to throw the big overhand right.
That's exactly what it was. He got JDS worried about the takedown and sucked him into defending it and playing his game. Cain put the fear of wrestling into him so that JDS never had time to setup his striking game, he took the initiative from the very start and put the pedal to the metal so that JDS was playing catchup for the rest of the fight.

I'd say the most brilliant part of the fight was the way Cain kept crowding in on JDS to take away his space and trap him on the fence and either clinch him for a takedown or dirty box the crap out of him. Usually both. Besides wearing out JDS with the clinchwork on the fence and getting some good punches in, it also prevents JDS from putting any power on his punches since his feet are level and flat against the fence. All you can do from there is arm punch, and that's not going to hurt Cain. It's the same way Randy Couture sucked the life out of many of his opponents.

What JDS should've done but didn't was make Cain pay for those takedown attempts after stuffing the first couple tries. Time him with a good knee to the head every time he shoots in, try and get him with some uppercuts, and once Cain eats enough knees to the head he'll start thinking twice about takedown attempts. From there, JDS can start imposing his striking game, open up the distance and force Cain to play catchup. There were also several times when JDS had a full clinch locked around Cain's neck, and every time he ended up letting it go instead of blasting some knees into the body & head. Missed opportunities.

It was a great fight by Cain, he made the adjustments that needed to be made and beat the hell out of JDS. Now JDS gets to go back to the drawing board and figure out what he needs to do. If he makes the right adjustments, it'll be the best HW fight ever when they meet again.
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:06 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Anyone calling the KO from the first fight 'lucky' is an absolute troll. Lucky would be a guy who has never KO'd someone; KOing a guy who has never been rocked.

The quick KO is every bit of JDS' style as a grinding, high paced fight is Cains. Which style you are personally more impressed with is really illrelevent. Its 1-1 now with both fighters earning convincing wins.
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Old 12-30-2012, 12:20 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Anyone calling the KO from the first fight 'lucky' is an absolute troll. Lucky would be a guy who has never KO'd someone; KOing a guy who has never been rocked.

The quick KO is every bit of JDS' style as a grinding, high paced fight is Cains. Which style you are personally more impressed with is really illrelevent. Its 1-1 now with both fighters earning convincing wins.
This. I'm sure there'll be a 3rd encounter at some point.
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:26 PM   #30 (permalink)
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What JDS should've done but didn't was make Cain pay for those takedown attempts after stuffing the first couple tries. Time him with a good knee to the head every time he shoots in, try and get him with some uppercuts, and once Cain eats enough knees to the head he'll start thinking twice about takedown attempts. From there, JDS can start imposing his striking game, open up the distance and force Cain to play catchup. There were also several times when JDS had a full clinch locked around Cain's neck, and every time he ended up letting it go instead of blasting some knees into the body & head. Missed opportunities.
Trying to counter Velasquez' take down attempts would have made Dos Santos more prone to the take downs. He may have tried with the more lack luster TD attempts, but Dos Santos is not really a kickboxer. Unfortunately he had nothing offensewise than his boxing and Velasquez successfully canceled that. Dos Santos repeatetly had a more or less tight Thai Clinch and I was wondering why he didn't try anything else then a couple of uppercuts. From that position as the taller fighter and with Velasquez often bending down Dos Santos could have planted some nice knees at least to the body and maybe even to the head. We'll see what Dos Santos will learn from that fight.
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