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Old 12-30-2012, 03:32 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Anyone calling the KO from the first fight 'lucky' is an absolute troll. Lucky would be a guy who has never KO'd someone; KOing a guy who has never been rocked.

The quick KO is every bit of JDS' style as a grinding, high paced fight is Cains. Which style you are personally more impressed with is really illrelevent. Its 1-1 now with both fighters earning convincing wins.
Sure whatever you say.

Iv done plenty of things that later on luck still helped me repeat. And it is possible for luck to help out "Partially".

Anyone who minimizes the concept of luck to the level you have is someone who has a very small brain.
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:36 PM   #32 (permalink)
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^I agree that JDS wasn't lucky to KO Cain. Knocking people out is what JDS does. He looks for the shot and has the power to do it. So he threw, hit Cain, and that power put him away. It was that simple to me. In the second JDS looked very slow to get into it and Cain was using his jab well and following it up. I think Cain was on the track to being KOed again cause he was diving into those right hands and so open to a big counter. I think if anything, that fact that one landed as massive as it was for Cain was luckier than JDS putting him away.
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Old 12-30-2012, 04:20 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Trying to counter Velasquez' take down attempts would have made Dos Santos more prone to the take downs. He may have tried with the more lack luster TD attempts, but Dos Santos is not really a kickboxer. Unfortunately he had nothing offensewise than his boxing and Velasquez successfully canceled that.
It does make him more prone to takedowns but he does have to do something to take the initiative instead of being constantly on the defensive against Cain. JDS isn't really a kickboxer as you said but he better learn fast since his height makes it harder for him to catch someone with punches when they're going for a takedown.

The other option I can think of is better use of angles and staying the hell off the fence like his life depended on it. There were too many times when JDS backed straight away from a takedown or put himself into the fence where he got clinched and beaten on. He needs to slip to the side more and use the angle to hit Cain with punches, then keep circling out to try & keep the distance open. As soon as Cain starts to shoot in, sidestep and unload a couple quick hooks to the body.

And the more I think about it, the more it puzzles me that JDS didn't throw knees when he had Cain in the neck clinch. He blasted Roy Nelson with a bunch of knees from that position so it's not like he doesn't know how to do it. As you said, when you have the shorter guy in the clinch like that you should be working him with knees. He did that with Roy then mixed it up with punches, I just can't figure out why he didn't do the same to Cain.
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Old 12-30-2012, 04:59 PM   #34 (permalink)
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JDS wasn't lucky in the first fight, Cain allowed him to plant his feet and throw KO shots, Cain made the adjustments for the second fight to always keep Junior on the back foot and not allow him to get any proper power behind his punches.

Cain's gameplan was perfect, I got love for Crazy Bob Cook!
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JDS wasn't lucky in the first fight, Cain allowed him to plant his feet and throw KO shots, Cain made the adjustments for the second fight to always keep Junior on the back foot and not allow him to get any proper power behind his punches.

Cain's gameplan was perfect, I got love for Crazy Bob Cook!
You know who gave em that nickname; Frank Shamrock.

The fight that happened last night was what I was afraid of the first time around. Wonder what kind of adjustment JDS will make in the third rodeo.
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:13 PM   #36 (permalink)
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You know who gave em that nickname; Frank Shamrock.

The fight that happened last night was what I was afraid of the first time around. Wonder what kind of adjustment JDS will make in the third rodeo.
JDS needs to develop some sort of offensive clinch game - that's one of the reasons The Reem will be such a threat to Velasquez, because if Cain wants to secure take downs on him from the clinch (where most of his successful TD's come from) he's going to have a had time not getting brutally kneed from Alistair in that position.

Junior literally has ZERO offensive clinch skills, which is why he is also so desperate to avoid that area and immediately circle away. He needs to work heavily on his dirty boxing in the clinch and try to develop some solid knees and elbows from that position, because otherwise Cain could very well likely do the exact same thing to him again.
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You know who gave em that nickname; Frank Shamrock.

The fight that happened last night was what I was afraid of the first time around. Wonder what kind of adjustment JDS will make in the third rodeo.
IMO there are no adjustments to make, maybe stop trying to be Anderson against the cage. Cain works his wrestling with Cormier every single day, the fact that 2 of the top 4 HWs on the planet have eachother as sparring partners is ridiculous. Cain will continue to improve his wrestling, which is already too strong for JDS' counter grappling.
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:18 PM   #38 (permalink)
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An elite, deadly striker with a ridiculous clinch game and strong wrestling is a night mare match up for Cain. In comes Alistair Overeem, where Cain won't really be safe in any area the fight takes place in.

He's not safe at distance where The Reem can time him with strikes, he's not really safe rushing in and charging Overeem because he could get easily timed and KO'd by a precise strke from the K-1 champ, and he certainly isn't safe up against the cage trying to clinch take down Alistair, he could eat some nasty uber knees from there.

Very interesting fight, I still think Cain takes it. If he can use his relentless pressure without being timed perfectly by Overeem, then he will likely wilt Overeem early on, break him mentally and also destroy his cardio.
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Cain would KO Overeem with the overhand he landed on Junior. Overeem has good defense but his chin is made of Cabbage (not Coreira, that is actually some hard Cabbage)
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:37 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I just watched the fight again (a few times actually) and my god was that ever a beating and one hell of a statement made by Cain.
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