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Old 12-30-2012, 06:31 PM   #11 (permalink)

 
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The people that get mad that he calls himself a Mexican are the first to notice him as a Mexican in the street. If he was from Cali or Texas he would be labeled Mexican. Most non Americans don't understand this fact. He should rock both flags, but I understand why he feels he needs to represent his roots.

On topic, yeah Mexicans are known for their ferocity and hard heads and hands. Brazilians are also known for their ferocity, but also for their skill.
If your implying I am racist your way off the mark.


I am not American, I don't understand the whole represent your country schtick but GSP gets pushed as the big Canadian and a lot of the country loves that so I kinda see that. Thing is GSP is Canadian. If GSP had a Canadian Father and was born in the US we would turn against the very concept of him representing our country. By the same token GSP is a french Canadian and if he started rocking the French Flag and claiming France we would turn against him. That is why I don't get it. Americans and Mexicans should hate Cain he is a pretender to one and a traitor in a sense to the other.

I have no problem with the Brown Pride tattoo as it has some significance with race and Hispanic stereotypes and struggles. If Cain was proud to be Hispanic that to me is acceptable and almost noble but to represent a Country you have no direct link to is absurd.
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:37 PM   #12 (permalink)
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If your implying I am racist your way off the mark.


I am not American, I don't understand the whole represent your country schtick but GSP gets pushed as the big Canadian and a lot of the country loves that so I kinda see that. Thing is GSP is Canadian. If GSP had a Canadian Father and was born in the US we would turn against the very concept of him representing our country. By the same token GSP is a french Canadian and if he started rocking the French Flag and claiming France we would turn against him. That is why I don't get it. Americans and Mexicans should hate Cain he is a pretender to one and a traitor in a sense to the other.
No I am not implying you are racist, not implying anyone is racist for that matter, sorry if it seemed to come out that way. All I was saying is that the racial issue in America is difficult for non-Americans to understand. It's like a black person from England comes over and is baffled at how different things are around here. It has to do with American history and current politics.

Lets be honest here, the picture that comes to mind when someone says True American is blond hair blue eyes. Children of immigrants (not just Mexicans) understand this. Not everyone will accept him as a full blooded American, no matter how Policially Correct we want to be.

Just wanted to add that I am not crying for anyone, but I respect their choice to associate themselves with whatever they wish to associate themselves with. As long as it isn't coming from hate, I see no reason why he should explain himself. That's why I'm cool with the Confederate flag but not the Nazi flag.

Personally if it were me I would fly both flags or whatever, but whatever floats his boat. Just trying to add some context in there.
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I have a friend from Cali who's half Mexican, in jail he was a Mexican and on the streets he is a Mexican. Most people find the dominant gene and run with it.
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I have a friend from Cali who's half Mexican, in jail he was a Mexican and on the streets he is a Mexican. Most people find the dominant gene and run with it.
That is more a race sense though is it not? That is the thing Cain isn't representing hispanics he is representing a specific Hispanic country that he has no direct personal link to. He isn't carrying around a symbol of hispanic pride he is carrying around a flag of a specific country.
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He does have a link to it. Chances are the neighborhood he lives in has a large Mexican-American community. It's also possible that that areas main language is spanish (mexican tongue). Add to the fact that his father is from Mexico, doesn't speak English and his mother is Mexican-American and I can't see how you don't think he doesn't have a link to the country.

I live in NYC which is a melting pot of all nationalities, races, and religion. There are places you can go to and not hear a word of English. Just a few examples - bensonherst yiddish, Washington Heights spanish, Chinatown and Flushing Chinese, Jackson Heights Spanish and Indian (Hindi?), Brighton Beach - Russian. The usual trend is for 2nd generations children to either embrace their roots (such as Cain) or disregard them altogether (fast track assimulation).

I've heard in Canada (I'm a bit ignorant on your country tbh so correct me if I'm wrong) that English speaking Canadians in Toronto do not like French speakers from Quebec. And I am sure there is some history behind it.
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That is more a race sense though is it not? That is the thing Cain isn't representing hispanics he is representing a specific Hispanic country that he has no direct personal link to. He isn't carrying around a symbol of hispanic pride he is carrying around a flag of a specific country.
I just watched the post fight presser and when they asked Cain if he'd like to fight in Mexico he said something along the lines of this, "I've always wanted to fight in Mexico, I spent a lot of time in Mexico when I was growing up, most of my family lived there and I lived close to the border so we'd go over for meals and to see the family all the time."
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He does have a link to it. Chances are the neighborhood he lives in has a large Mexican-American community. It's also possible that that areas main language is spanish (mexican tongue). Add to the fact that his father is from Mexico, doesn't speak English and his mother is Mexican-American and I can't see how you don't think he doesn't have a link to the country.

I live in NYC which is a melting pot of all nationalities, races, and religion. There are places you can go to and not hear a word of English. Just a few examples - bensonherst yiddish, Washington Heights spanish, Chinatown and Flushing Chinese, Jackson Heights Spanish and Indian (Hindi?), Brighton Beach - Russian. The usual trend is for 2nd generations children to either embrace their roots (such as Cain) or disregard them altogether (fast track assimulation).

I've heard in Canada (I'm a bit ignorant on your country tbh so correct me if I'm wrong) that English speaking Canadians in Toronto do not like French speakers from Quebec. And I am sure there is some history behind it.
There are over 20 countries that compromise over 12% of the world that speak spanish. Even if his neighborhood is mainly mexican American its still a neighborhood in the US. If he claimed that his Hispanic roots were important to him I could see it. He could not represent Mexico at the Olympics, he has never lived in Mexico. He is Hispanic but that does not make him Mexican. If we called all Hispanic people Mexican it would not be politically correct. I guess it is just a cultural thing with the US but IMO its offensive to both countries involved when somebody plays it up like that.
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There are over 20 countries that compromise over 12% of the world that speak spanish. Even if his neighborhood is mainly Mexican American its still a neighborhood in the US. If he claimed that his Hispanic roots were important to him I could see it. He could not represent Mexico at the Olympics, he has never lived in Mexico. He is Hispanic but that does not make him Mexican. If we called all Hispanic people Mexican it would not be politically correct. I guess it is just a cultural thing with the US but IMO its offensive to both countries involved when somebody plays it up like that.
Ok I can respect that, and you are right about the Olympics part. No he is not technically Mexican, but he acknowledges his roots there. But I can see why some people would take offense to him not acknowledging his American roots as well. He pays taxes, has gone through the schooling system, and has breathed predominately American air most of his life. That's why if it were me I would rock both flags.

But ultimately he's his own man and chooses his own path and I don't fault him for that.
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Toxic you have to try and see it from Cain's and his families perspective.

Imagine this scenario, the young and single Toxic gets a great job offer, you have to move to London (England, not Ontario), you go all carpe diem and take the job, whilst there you meet an English girl get married and have a son.. your son is not Canadian?
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Toxic you have to try and see it from Cain's and his families perspective.

Imagine this scenario, the young and single Toxic gets a great job offer, you have to move to London (England, not Ontario), you go all carpe diem and take the job, whilst there you meet an English girl get married and have a son.. your son is not Canadian?
But that English girl is second generation Canadian/English.
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