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Old 12-31-2012, 02:32 PM   #41 (permalink)
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That's the comparison I've been making for a while too. I just don't see this great boxer that everyone is/was talking about. He has a really good jab, but other than that he is basically a brawler.

Everyone needs to calm down about how one-sided the fight was, though. JDS got tagged and never recovered - that doesn't mean that he can't beat Cain, or even that Cain is better. The score is 1-1. Cain will be about -150 on the betting lines in their next fight and JDS will come back stronger than ever. Some people are such prisoners of the moment it's ridiculous. Heavyweight fights are rarely competitive if you think about it... even when the two fighters are evenly matched.

I agree with the betting lines, I'm pretty much going to back the underdog each time I think its that much of a coin flip.

I actually think JDS's boxing is more refined than a brawler, ugly for pro boxing but I really like it for MMA. Everyone's plan/mind goes out of the window once you've been clocked like Cain did to him and he just went into survival mode.
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Old 12-31-2012, 05:21 PM   #42 (permalink)
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JDS doesn't fight like a guy with a black belt in jiu jitsu, imo. In fact, I've never seen him work from his guard. Instead, when got taken down (a lot), he fought to stand up, only to get taken down again. This is one of the most taxing things to do in MMA and had to contribute to his running out of gas.

Would he have been better off working from guard, conserving some energy and going for subs like Andy Silva?
Not everyone can be as cool and collected as Andy and you know the old saying, punch a black belt in the face and he becomes a brown belt, punch a brown belt and becomes a purple belt, etc., etc.

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Just like he forgot to keep his ands up.



And yet he kept his hands down all the damn time.
JDS went full retard that night.



Ubereem and Werdum would both beat Cain.
Overeem needs to knock Cain out in the first 60 seconds else he will gas even harder than JDS did. Werdum has a decent shot of submitting Cain if he can get it to the ground, but I see Cain working Werdum up against the cage until he gasses.
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Old 12-31-2012, 05:30 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Would you like to be the third best guy at heavyweight right now? If you beat one, you KNOW your next fight is against the other.

Outside of Cormier, who's still a cypher, what heavyweight is beating both of those guys? As for Overreem, on merit, he should be fighting Big Country. (As Dana's accountant, OTOH, Overeem gets a title fight).
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:28 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Overeem needs to knock Cain out in the first 60 seconds else he will gas even harder than JDS did. Werdum has a decent shot of submitting Cain if he can get it to the ground, but I see Cain working Werdum up against the cage until he gasses.
If Cain can't get Reem on the ground in less than 2mins, he's going to shit himself.
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:44 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Overeem needs to knock Cain out in the first 60 seconds else he will gas even harder than JDS did. Werdum has a decent shot of submitting Cain if he can get it to the ground, but I see Cain working Werdum up against the cage until he gasses.
Agreed, Reem's cardio is more questionable than JDS'. Also Reem was out struck by Werdum, and Werdum is no Cain in that department so that's something to consider.

I have Cain taking this one in convincing fashion even though Reem is proven on his back, he's spent a lot of time there getting concussed by light heavyweights.
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Agreed, Reem's cardio is more questionable than JDS'. Also Reem was out struck by Werdum, and Werdum is no Cain in that department so that's something to consider.

I have Cain taking this one in convincing fashion even though Reem is proven on his back, he's spent a lot of time there getting concussed by light heavyweights.
Werdum is no slouch on the feet either, he's less of a threat than JDS and Overeem because he doesn't have that 1 shot KO power (well he does, but not lights out when he taps you like Carwin, Hunt, Nelson, JDS, Overeem seem to be able to do)
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:51 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Agreed. Looked like JDS thought he could go into the fight not having to change anything since their last encounter.

He was looking for the big shot but he couldn't get it in because of the pressure and because of his own fatigue.

It was madness to see him wind up for the big bolo uppercut when Cain would clinch with him before it could even get to chin level.

I think Cain has overall better fight IQ, and understood what mistakes he made in the first fight.

As for JDS bjj, well, like has been said, no style's adherents are created equal. He did what he was accustomed to, avoiding ground damage and getting back to the feet. Really, he did a great job despite his being gassed and dazed to fight off Cain for 5 rounds without being smothered completely or gettinkg TKO'd.
The first time cain got jds down, jds immediately swept cain and put him on his back. That shows me jds grappling is fine, what wasnt fine, was the lack of willigness to attack, right after cain missed his takedowns. Jds Should have jumped on him, but his preference for boxing, made him miss those opportunities. That is either bad game planning, low ring iq or fear for cains grappling/wrestling.

my guess is the former and latter. I think jds can perform quite a bit better, if he has a proper game plan and doesnt fear cains wrestling, respect it, yes, but fear, no. I must admit, that im not quire sure if it enough. for jds to beat cain, but i do think he can make much closer and more competetive.

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Old 01-01-2013, 05:11 PM   #48 (permalink)
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