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mastodon2222 12-30-2012 08:54 PM

Where was JDS jiu jitsu??
 
JDS doesn't fight like a guy with a black belt in jiu jitsu, imo. In fact, I've never seen him work from his guard. Instead, when got taken down (a lot), he fought to stand up, only to get taken down again. This is one of the most taxing things to do in MMA and had to contribute to his running out of gas.

Would he have been better off working from guard, conserving some energy and going for subs like Andy Silva?

LL 12-30-2012 08:58 PM

I believe getting put on his back broke Junior mentally.

He said after the fight he didn't even try to work ju-jitsu he just wanted to get back up, and I believe that is what cost him the fight, the fact that Cain was able to break him.

They're destined to fight again though and Junior clearly knows his game needs work, ju-jitsu and learning how to fight and fight calmly off his back will be a big factor for him going forward, I hope so anyway. I'd hate to see him become the Heavyweight Rampage.

BrianRClover 12-30-2012 09:02 PM

That's a good question. Junior knows what it's like to get simply overwhelmed now... in my opinion, it was a ridiculous amount of "wall and stall", but I'm a biased JDS fan, and have never cared for Cain.

Either way, I expect to see the best Junior we've ever seen his next time out, much like Cain did when he was on the other side of this equation.

GrappleRetarded 12-30-2012 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianRClover (Post 1663850)
That's a good question. Junior knows what it's like to get simply overwhelmed now... in my opinion, it was a ridiculous amount of "wall and stall", but I'm a biased JDS fan, and have never cared for Cain.

Either way, I expect to see the best Junior we've ever seen his next time out, much like Cain did when he was on the other side of this equation.

There was hardly any wall and stall. When Cain had Junior up against the fence, the vast majority of the time he was dirty boxing the snot out of him and pounding on his rib cage like it was a frozen piece of beef in the chiller. When he wasn't dirty boxing, he was latching onto single legs and dumping Junior onto the mat. I counted four times throughout the fight where JDS grabbing onto the cage prevented Cain from taking him down.

As for his BJJ, as I expected, it's rubbish. There's a reason his entire career he's treated the octagon floor like deadly lava from a Sonic The Hedgehog game, because he sucks there - and like in Sonic, if he falls into that lava, it's pretty much GAME OVER.

mastodon2222 12-30-2012 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLyotoLegion (Post 1663846)
I believe getting put on his back broke Junior mentally.

He said after the fight he didn't even try to work ju-jitsu he just wanted to get back up, and I believe that is what cost him the fight, the fact that Cain was able to break him.

They're destined to fight again though and Junior clearly knows his game needs work, ju-jitsu and learning how to fight and fight calmly off his back will be a big factor for him going forward, I hope so anyway. I'd hate to see him become the Heavyweight Rampage.

Agree. If he goes into III with the same plan, they might as well re-play fight ll.

mastodon2222 12-30-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GrappleRetarded (Post 1663855)
There was hardly any wall and stall. When Cain had Junior up against the fence, the vast majority of the time he was dirty boxing the snot out of him and pounding on his rib cage like it was a frozen piece of beef in the chiller. When he wasn't dirty boxing, he was latching onto single legs and dumping Junior onto the mat. I counted four times throughout the fight where JDS grabbing onto the cage prevented Cain from taking him down.

As for his BJJ, as I expected, it's rubbish. There's a reason his entire career he's treated the octagon floor like deadly lava from a Sonic The Hedgehog game, because he sucks there - and like in Sonic, if he falls into that lava, it's pretty much GAME OVER.

This from JDS' BJJ coach:
<<Now the master who discovered him eight years ago says that 'Cigano' is probably going to at last demonstrate the quality of his game on the ground when he faces Cain Velasquez to defend the heavyweight title.

Junior Cigano’s chance to prove how legit his black belt is on December 29th in the main fight of UFC 155, when he faces off with Cain Velasquez for the second time. .


I have to agree - JDS is a one dimensional fighter with decent TDD (while he's still fresh) but no ground game to speak of.

cdtcpl 12-30-2012 09:49 PM

I think he forgot to use it.

Honestly though it has been said many times that just because someone is good at something it doesn't mean they can transition it into MMA. I wonder if he focuses so much on just getting up that he doesn't even try.

EVERLOST 12-30-2012 09:59 PM

I think its funny all the people talking about how ONE DIMENSIONAL JDS is after his first lost.....the same thing people did after CAINS one loss to JDS....its like a room full of retarded kids arguing over who gets to wear the shiny new helmet first.

Hellboy 12-31-2012 12:02 AM

JDS BJJ has been spoken about like some mythical power like a focussed Melvin Guillard. No one has even seen it but because he trains with Nog he must be word class.

BOOM 12-31-2012 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by EVERLOST (Post 1663864)
I think its funny all the people talking about how ONE DIMENSIONAL JDS is after his first lost.....the same thing people did after CAINS one loss to JDS....its like a room full of retarded kids arguing over who gets to wear the shiny new helmet first.

JDS was considered one dimensional by many people before his loss yesterday, last night Cain just exposed it a hell of a lot more for everyone to see.


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