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Old 12-31-2012, 12:24 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Personally, I'd like to see Overeem vs JDS, but JDS might see a six month medical after that beating. It's bothers me (vaguely) that a 'roid-head gets a title shot out of the gate, but I think these champs from other orgs get title shots qucik because they're worth more money that way. What's Jake Shields now?
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Old 12-31-2012, 12:28 PM   #32 (permalink)
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The mauling Cain gave JDS was a million times more impressive then some quick KO. It would have been much better for JDS' health if he was finished in the same fashion that Cain was in their first match.

Oh and stop trying to win the internet by making up excuses because you're butt hurt. Cain absolutely destroyed JDS in every facet of the sport and made the statement of the year to end the year, end of story.
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I'm not some die hard JDS fan as I have already mentioned. Yes, I was giving him the nod in the rematch but the winner doesn't effect me one way or another.

The only reason I'm even wasting my time talking to you is how far off beat you are with what happened.

Cain had a dominating performance, and JDS fate was sealed (short of a miracle KO) in the first round. End of story.


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Old 12-31-2012, 12:31 PM   #33 (permalink)
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The fight wasn't over in the first round, it went the full five rounds because JDS did'nt give up like many other fighters likely would have after taking a beating like that one. And Cain wasn't sloppy, he smothered JDS the entire fight but I guess JDS nuthuggers have to have an excuse to make themselves feel better.
I think that fight went five rounds because Cain made sure he didn't fall into a cheap submission on the ground. Wrestlers can be very successful against BJJ if they avoid positions where they can get locked.

The beauty of Cain's performance is that he went for basically everything except leglocks. Armbars, leg kicks headkicks, even a (failed) hip toss, and of course standing toe-to-toe with a guy who knocked him cold.
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In the first fight JDS stopped Cain in the first round.

In the second fight Cain stopped JDS in the first round but couldn't put him away. He couldn't put him away for the subsequent four rounds despite JDS not having any real fight left in him due to the shots he took in the first.

JDS has big holes in his game he needs to close. Cain has big holes in his game he needs to close. JDS needs versatility in the event his go-to strategy doesn't work and Cain needs to be able to finish dangerous fighters when he has them in a bad way. It almost cost him a couple times versus Kongo and if JDS could have recovered it was a risk that Cain just needs to take off the table...
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In the first fight JDS stopped Cain in the first round.

In the second fight Cain stopped JDS in the first round but couldn't put him away. He couldn't put him away for the subsequent four rounds despite JDS not having any real fight left in him due to the shots he took in the first.

JDS has big holes in his game he needs to close. Cain has big holes in his game he needs to close. JDS needs versatility in the event his go-to strategy doesn't work and Cain needs to be able to finish dangerous fighters when he has them in a bad way. It almost cost him a couple times versus Kongo and if JDS could have recovered it was a risk that Cain just needs to take off the table...
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People are really getting their knickers in a twist over this fight. I thought both guys looked great, Cain coming back and overcoming the KO loss and implementing a great game plan and Junior for showing such heart. One shot and it could have been a very different story.

I like both guys, think they are good ambassadors for the sport and frankly I think they'd both be embarrassed by some of the blinded nut swinging.

Mir,Cain,Carwin,Nelson,Werdum are all high quality wins so I don't believe the first fight was a 'Serra' incident. Serra has probably only one top win (GSP).

I'd be excited for a third fight, Junior now knows what Cain brings to the table and its up to him to adjust. In the rubber match if there was another quick JDS knockout I'd still want more as they have polar opposite styles and it is and is going to continue to be a great rivalry.
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There's no excuse.
JDS wasn't supposed to win that fight and he didn't.
He's a company man.
Heh, I think you may be on to something.
No way in hell Cain would not finish an opponent after landing a punch like that, and JDS did nothing the whole fight, even before being rocked and finished.
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Well we will see. Cain could of set the blue print for everyone else. Push forward, apply pressure and don't give him room and he'll crumble.
I don't think anyone but Cain in the HW division can push that pace, and that's what won the fight. JDS is still the better technical fighter, but no one in the division can hang with Cain's pace when he turns it up.

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In the first fight JDS stopped Cain in the first round.

In the second fight Cain stopped JDS in the first round but couldn't put him away. He couldn't put him away for the subsequent four rounds despite JDS not having any real fight left in him due to the shots he took in the first.

JDS has big holes in his game he needs to close. Cain has big holes in his game he needs to close. JDS needs versatility in the event his go-to strategy doesn't work and Cain needs to be able to finish dangerous fighters when he has them in a bad way. It almost cost him a couple times versus Kongo and if JDS could have recovered it was a risk that Cain just needs to take off the table...
I don't know what JDS can do to get better other than keep working his cardio. Technique wise the only thing I see helping him is working on timing a knee with a takedown attempt.
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:19 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I don't know what JDS can do to get better other than keep working his cardio. Technique wise the only thing I see helping him is working on timing a knee with a takedown attempt.
What sucks is just like a flash KO... we never really got to see this fight unfold. JDS was hurt beyond recovery and then gassed beyond believe after the first round. We have no idea how the rest of the fight would have played out. How long JDS could have kept that pace before tiring.

I think JDS needs to either work on punishing failed TD attempts or keeping his hands up and possibly sacrificing some of his TDD. He showed the ability to get back up despite his condition. He may want to take his chances going to the ground than taking a big shot trying to defend the take down.

I'm not sure you can ever be on Cain's level for cardio but it's worth a shot.
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What sucks is just like a flash KO... we never really got to see this fight unfold. JDS was hurt beyond recovery and then gassed beyond believe after the first round. We have no idea how the rest of the fight would have played out. How long JDS could have kept that pace before tiring.

I think JDS needs to either work on punishing failed TD attempts or keeping his hands up and possibly sacrificing some of his TDD. He showed the ability to get back up despite his condition. He may want to take his chances going to the ground than taking a big shot trying to defend the take down.

I'm not sure you can ever be on Cain's level for cardio but it's worth a shot.
IMO, he was already starting to slow down by the time he got rocked. I've actually questioned JDS's cardio for a while now. It's good enough to coast to a decision if he doesn't get the finish in the 1st, but it's not nearly good enough to keep up Cain's pace for 3 rounds let alone 5.
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