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But Cain is a great wrestler. He wasnt even getting close to a takedown because JDS' TDD was dope. Cain looked ridiculous because JDS completley stuffed his takedowns and left him on the floor clutching a foot. JDS weakness in that fight was his stand up (mainly defence) and his cardio.
I find it interesting how there are still people that keep bringing up JDS' amazing TDD because he managed to avoid it a few times against Cain but completely negate the fact that Cain did take down JDS at will and literally threw him around like a rag doll for most of the fight in reality.
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I find it interesting how there are still people that keep bringing up JDS' amazing TDD because he managed to avoid it a few times against Cain but completely negate the fact that Cain did take down JDS at will and literally threw him around like a rag doll for most of the fight in reality.
But you're cutting out all the other factors. Thats like saying Travis Brown can't walk because of his last fight. JDS was pretty much unconcious when he finally got taken down. Cain then used his relentless wrestling and strikes to completley sap JDS' lacking cardio. It was only when that shot landed that the game changed. JDS TDD was shown in all it's glory at the start of the fight when he was still able to stand on his own two feet.

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I was actually quite impressed with Junior's defense at least in the first scramble. He got taken down, but got up right away only to be thrown into side control and again did a great job of shaking Cain and scrambling back to his feet. He looked quite formidable until he was hurt and then gassed. The third fight should be somewhere in between these two, but if I had to bet I'd pick Cain.
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But you're cutting out all the other factors. Thats like saying Travis Brown can't walk because of his last fight. JDS was pretty much unconcious when he finally got taken down. Cain then used his relentless wrestling and strikes to completley sap JDS' lacking cardio. It was only when that shot landed that the game changed. JDS TDD was shown in all it's glory at the start of the fight when he was still able to stand on his own two feet.
So basically what you're saying is once another fighter figures out/takes away JDS' one dimension there's nothing left in his toolbox that gives him a chance to win.

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Who does JDS beat in the HW division without his striking?
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Sterl, I didnt think JDS was even taken down until he was hurt. I was actually really unimpressed by Cain's grappling. JDS wasn't using BJJ or any skill to stand up, Cain was just not strong enough on the ground to stop him. He kept himself light on JDS where he could have smashed him with GnP had he been able to hold him down. He could really use some BJJ training to improve his wrestling.

BOOM, well like every fighter he has a stand out point. He has great TDD but that's only because he wants to keep it standing to strike. His entire gameplan is geared towards striking. If someone is able to just click with their timing, like Cain did, yeah JDS is pretty screwed. But it's easier said than done and had Cain not landed that shot, I could have seen JDS doing the same again. He is THAT good at striking, that he smashed everyone enroute to beating a great champion. It's like saying old Nog was one dimentional or Cro Cop was one dimentional. They are, but can anybody actually stop them? Their entire gameplay is geared towards winning in a certain way. Anderson Silva isn't aiming to submit or out wrestle anyone, he's looking for a stand up KO, and everyone knows it. If you could out strike Anderson, you've won the fight. But as I said, easier said than done.

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The story of the rematch for JDS is gonna be body shots, its the one thing he was having a lot of success with in the last fight. For Cain its gonna be more of the same likely with a stronger sense of urgency on finishing and putting the final nail in the coffin. I expect JDS to look for an answer to make Cain pay for TD attempts and to be in better shape but its not a matter of what Cain can change (because he fought damn near perfect) but rather the adjustments JDS will make that will make the next bout that much more intriguing.




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The story of the rematch for JDS is gonna be body shots, its the one thing he was having a lot of success with in the last fight. For Cain its gonna be more of the same likely with a stronger sense of urgency on finishing and putting the final nail in the coffin. I expect JDS to look for an answer to make Cain pay for TD attempts and to be in better shape but its not a matter of what Cain can change (because he fought damn near perfect) but rather the adjustments JDS will make that will make the next bout that much more intriguing.
Completley agree. I said in the first page or something that JDS will have insane body shots which will break Cain down in stamina. JDS will be in much better condition for this one imo and he will be so much tighter in striking defence to make sure that Cain can't catch him the way he did again. The most intriguing part will be who is pushing the pace. JDS could look for a counter, which shouldnt be too hard to find, but he might look to swap the roles and be the one pushing Cain back.

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I still don't see how JDS stands a chance in their next match outside of another flash KO that catches Cain.

Cain has JDS covered in every category by miles and personally I don't see JDS magically learning all the attributes he will need. JDS has huge holes in his game, I'll go as far and say he is one of the most incomplete fighters at HW and it's just that his striking is so good that a lot of people did'nt want to see/believe it.
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I still don't see how JDS stands a chance in their next match outside of another flash KO that catches Cain.

Cain has JDS covered in every category by miles and personally I don't see JDS magically learning all the attributes he will need. JDS has huge holes in his game, I'll go as far and say he is one of the most incomplete fighters at HW and it's just that his striking is so good that a lot of people did'nt want to see/believe it.
If JDS can just work on making people pay for failed takedowns he will win even easier than Cain did on Saturday.

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If JDS can just work on making people pay for failed takedowns he will win even easier than Cain did on Saturday.
This x1000

Junior needs to work with the Muay Thai coaches and Anderson at blackhouse. His boxing is obviously fantastic but Cain showed it's something that can be negated with pressure because of Junior's inability to use knees and other counters when guys close distance.
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