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Old 01-02-2013, 07:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Regardless, IMO. The effects of adderall are easy to find, I seriously question the judgement of anybody taking pills that they aren't fully aware of.

If it's untrue then it's bad publicity for him and if it's true then it was a bad friend that leaked it (and still bad publicity).
You'd think being a pothead who talks about "theories" and shit would have bad publicity too, but Joe's doing alright He's not really an actor or anything and doesn't really have 'stock'. As long as he gets his shit in order, I imagine his job'll be safe.

The majority of prescription pill users don't have a scooby what's in them, so yeah, that;s the world we live in...
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:45 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Amphetamine is a valid drug for treating ADHD and lots of other diseases. It works and because of that it has side effects. Generally speaking if there are no side effects, there are no effects. Some of these side effects can be seen as pleasant by some people so they abuse it. There's nothing wrong with the drug but with the people abusing it.
I couldn't disagree more, there is absolutely something wrong with the drug itself. Adderall (or a light meth as you put it) was banned many years ago in Canada and presently it's classified as a class 1 substance, putting it right up there with cocaine and heroin. Basically it's poison like all the rest, people just can't differentiate between what some thug on the street is selling and what the "nice" drug dealer (pharma) on wall street is selling the public legally in certain countries.

The problem is knowledge or lack there of. There is no difference other than one dealer having a license to ruin people's lives.
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You'd think being a pothead who talks about "theories" and shit would have bad publicity too, but Joe's doing alright He's not really an actor or anything and doesn't really have 'stock'. As long as he gets his shit in order, I imagine his job'll be safe.

The majority of prescription pill users don't have a scooby what's in them, so yeah, that;s the world we live in...
The difference there is Joe is an activist of non addictive substances. He chooses to associate his name with these things, some random guy just came out of left field and told us that Mike is an adderall addict, if Mike had said it then it would be different.

Addiction is a horrible thing and if Mike is suffering from it then I wish him all the best but I seriously question the motive of the starter of this rumour, they obviously didn't have Mike's best interests in mind.
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The difference there is Joe is an activist of non addictive substances. He chooses to associate his name with these things, some random guy just came out of left field and told us that Mike is an adderall addict, if Mike had said it then it would be different.

Addiction is a horrible thing and if Mike is suffering from it then I wish him all the best but I seriously question the motive of the starter of this rumour, they obviously didn't have Mike's best interests in mind.
Maybe he's a mate of Mike's and Mike doesn't mind? He might just be facing up to his demons, although I share the skepticism.

And weed IS addictive. The only people who say it isn't addictive are people who smoke weed on a regular basis. "I can give up at any time", somehow this phrase isn't tarred with the same brush as it is when uttered by an alchoholic.
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Maybe he's a mate of Mike's and Mike doesn't mind? He might just be facing up to his demons, although I share the skepticism.

And weed IS addictive. The only people who say it isn't addictive are people who smoke weed on a regular basis. "I can give up at any time", somehow this phrase isn't tarred with the same brush as it is when uttered by an alchoholic.

Weed is fun to do, that is why people do it. There are very few negatives. I smoke it because I enjoy it, but when I go overseas I do not have any problems not smoking it, I have no withdrawals and i've smoked every day for about 4 years. Alcohol is much worse in every single way.
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Weed is fun to do, that is why people do it. There are very few negatives. I smoke it because I enjoy it, but when I go overseas I do not have any problems not smoking it, I have no withdrawals and i've smoked every day for about 4 years. Alcohol is much worse in every single way.
I write cartoons and have one for the person first pitching the idea of alchohol on Dragon's Den. Shit like "It make's your coordination go, you're eyes turn blurry, you no longer make your own decisions, you lose all control over your legs and the next day you're entire body feels like death....good idea right?".

Long term use is bad, as I said about my brother earlier in the thread. But yeah I'm more of an advocate of fun. It's when people say shit like "Weed gets rid of red cells which benifits the prevention of cancer" and ridiculous bullshit like that.
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And weed IS addictive. The only people who say it isn't addictive are people who smoke weed on a regular basis. "I can give up at any time", somehow this phrase isn't tarred with the same brush as it is when uttered by an alchoholic.
Probably because alcohol kills far more people than weed and is much more physiologically debilitating when abused (such as destroying your liver or getting alcohol poisoning or drunk driving).

Weed can absolutely be mentally addictive, but so can cheeseburgers and classical musical cds. It's chemical addiction is slim to nil. By the way I don't smoke weed on a regular basis but do occasionally when others offer, much like most of my friends, so there's goes your ridiculous generalization.

More on topic, I found the original article a little ignorant by the fact that it finds 'irony' in the fact that Joe wasn't the one with the drug addiction problem. Joe is a very balanced person and I would be totally shocked to find out he was being adversely affected by substance abuse. The problem is of course the errant perception that all drugs are equal and illegal drugs are worse. 'Ironically' enough, for some people taking one drug can lead you to being more aware of not taking another, more harmful ones, as might be the case with Joe and hallucinogens.
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Probably because alcohol kills far more people than weed and is much more physiologically debilitating when abused (such as destroying your liver or getting alcohol poisoning or drunk driving).

Weed can absolutely be mentally addictive, but so can cheeseburgers and classical musical cds. It's chemical addiction is slim to nil. By the way I don't smoke weed on a regular basis but do occasionally when others offer, much like most of my friends, so there's goes your ridiculous generalization.

More on topic, I found the original article a little ignorant by the fact that it finds 'irony' in the fact that Joe wasn't the one with the drug addiction problem. Joe is a very balanced person and I would be totally shocked to find out he was being adversely affected by substance abuse. The problem is of course the errant perception that all drugs are equal and illegal drugs are worse. 'Ironically' enough, for some people taking one drug can lead you to being more aware of not taking another, more harmful ones, as might be the case with Joe and hallucinogens.
I was more using a turn of phrase than compairing it to alchohol.

Ridiculous generalization? Man I couldn't be further from a top hat wearing monacle dropping daily mail reader who think's the roughians today outta be shot. I still smoke weed occasionally myself and was a pretty big smoker like 2 years ago. I'm not 'judging' anyone mate.

Did I or anyone else in here say Joe has a substance abuse 'problem'?
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I remember watching him on OTR with Michael Lansberg a month or so ago and thinking 'damn this guy looks like shit'.

Not saying it's direct cause and effect, but I'm not surprised of the news.
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