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Old 01-02-2013, 07:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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anybody that has ever wrestled knows that Cain's a complete badass on the mats.
he looked sloppy with his TD's against junior though, before junior gassed he was stopped 4 times in a row
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:50 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Cain struggles to control JDS on the ground and in the clinch at moments in the fight where JDS won't even remember. He never kept JDS down at one moment in the entire fight. I think he could use some BJJ grappling because his hand fighting in the clinch and ground control aren't at the level they could be. JDS without being gassed or stunned isn't really in trouble in that aspect imo.
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yeah he did, but he also landed the first two takedowns of the fight on an unpunched, ungassed JDS. CBB if you watched Cain's fights you'd see he doesn't really try to hold guys down, he kinda just stays in dominant position and continues to land strikes, as soon as they get up he works for the TD again.

This is one of his tactics to gas opponents.
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JDS needs at least one fight (winning in convincing fashion) before meeting Cain again.

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Yea, let's just forget about Junior being hailed as having arguably the best take down defense in the entire sport before the fight.

So, Cain Velasquez missed quite a few take downs on JDS, where as in all of his other fights he would complete them with ease. Might have some thing to with the fact that he was fighting a guy called Junior Dos Santos, the dude that never gets taken down, ever.

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yeah he did, but he also landed the first two takedowns of the fight on an unpunched, ungassed JDS. CBB if you watched Cain's fights you'd see he doesn't really try to hold guys down, he kinda just stays in dominant position and continues to land strikes, as soon as they get up he works for the TD again.

This is one of his tactics to gas opponents.
thats jon jones style, its not hard to get back up but you are gonna get pummelled trying
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yeah he did, but he also landed the first two takedowns of the fight on an unpunched, ungassed JDS. CBB if you watched Cain's fights you'd see he doesn't really try to hold guys down, he kinda just stays in dominant position and continues to land strikes, as soon as they get up he works for the TD again.

This is one of his tactics to gas opponents.
But when he faces someone like JDS who has really good TDD, I find that JDS won't have too many problems seperating from the clinch. If you watch the later parts of say the 3rd round, JDS, although completley drained, was even spinning and putting Caid against the cage. He could have pushed off from there and tee-ed off against Cain while he had his back on the fence. He just didn't have it in him at that point in the fight because he allowed himself to get clocked and from there, taken down. If JDS ups his cardio, which he definently will, and keeps his hands high enough, I can see him keeping his distance and stuffing all the takedowns like he was doing early, without the risk of taking yet another stupid big shot.

And I'm obviously not just some delusional JDS fan saying everything to discredit Cain cause I seen the fight going EXACTLY as it was, but I feel JDS has the intelligence and tools to change up what he did wrong in the last fight because ultimatley, it was more his mistakes which cost him. Cain pushed the pace and used strikes to set up takedowns and JDS didn't have an answer for it. If you don't expect that against a wrestler, it's your own fault you lost.
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Yea, let's just forget about Junior being hailed as having arguably the best take down defense in the entire sport before the fight.

So, Cain Velasquez missed quite a few take downs on JDS, where as in all of his other fights he would complete them with ease. Might have some thing to with the fact that he was fighting a guy called Junior Dos Santos, the dude that never gets taken down, ever.

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No doubt it was to do with JDS being that good. JDS has better TDD when on dream street than most have at their peak. But if Cain's wrestling is supposed to be that amazing, should it overtake JDS' TDD? JDS was making him look foolish before he got hurt and gassed, and although a harsh criticism on Cain because after all, HE was the one who hurt JDS, but if he wants to try and use the same grappling he did before JDS got caught, he's going to be made pay for it.
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yeah he did, but he also landed the first two takedowns of the fight on an unpunched, ungassed JDS. CBB if you watched Cain's fights you'd see he doesn't really try to hold guys down, he kinda just stays in dominant position and continues to land strikes, as soon as they get up he works for the TD again.

This is one of his tactics to gas opponents.
Yea... I agree. Cains entire game is based around position. He wont throw shit offensively until his position is secure. Totally evil and methodical. He will happily let somebody get up as long as he's still in a strong position.

I'm not sure how *skilled* he is... but he is scarily disciplined. That, for me, is his strong point. He wrestles like hes been drilled hard his whole life. His concentration never seems to slip. He's awesome.

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No doubt it was to do with JDS being that good. JDS has better TDD when on dream street than most have at their peak. But if Cain's wrestling is supposed to be that amazing, should it overtake JDS' TDD? JDS was making him look foolish before he got hurt and gassed, and although a harsh criticism on Cain because after all, HE was the one who hurt JDS, but if he wants to try and use the same grappling he did before JDS got caught, he's going to be made pay for it.
Naa. You can call those initial takedown attempts "sloppy"... but they we're still enough to get Dos Santos to lower is guard. By the time Cain clocked him, he was totally not expecting it. Sloppy or not... it was mission accomplished if you ask me.

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Yea... I agree. Cains entire game is based around position. He wont throw shit offensively until his position is secure. Totally evil and methodical. He will happily let somebody get up as long as he's still in a strong position.

I'm not sure how *skilled* he is... but he is scarily disciplined. That, for me, is his strong point. He wrestles like hes been drilled hard his whole life. His concentration never seems to slip. He's awesome.
he's no michael bisping though right sooj
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