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El Bresko 01-02-2013 06:54 PM

JDS wants a rematch ASAP
 
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ďHe was better and deserved the win,Ē said JDS. ďBut I used the wrong strategy. I was too worried about his takedowns and didnít protect my face, so he hit me. When the fight was on the ground, I should have used my jiu-jitsu more Ė I trained it so much. But I just tried to get back up and it didnít help me. But on the ground he is very good, very strong. I didnít really connect with any good punches. It was disappointing, because I was feeling good, had an awesome training camp, everything was right. But thatís how fighting is Ö I want (a rubbermatch) now, soon. I won the first one and he got a rematch. Now I lost and I want my rematch. Iím saying I want this fight. Iíll get my belt back.Ē
the rest of the interview can be found Here, but it is in Portugese.

ClydebankBlitz 01-02-2013 06:58 PM

So UFC OWNS thinks he was too bulked but JDS himself thought he felt perfect? :D

He'll get his rematch, but I have a feeling it won't be for the title whenever it happens.

El Bresko 01-02-2013 06:59 PM

He will get his rematch, get taken down again but this time the fight will look like Cain V Bigfoot cos Junior is going to try and use his jiujitsu.

GrappleRetarded 01-02-2013 06:59 PM

I think using BJJ and playing around in the guard in a rematch is the wrong game plan to have. I think the fight would even go a lot worse if he came into the rematch with that mindset. The Big Foot is a respectable BJJ black belt and he got absolutely schooled (and even that's an understatement) on the ground trying to mess around in the guard.

Unless your names Werdum, Big Nog or Mir, trying to control Cain on the ground and work for sweeps and subs is a bad idea.

His best bet is to do what he did last time - get up as quickly as possible, but this time actually punish Cain for missed take downs and actually develop some kind of offensive clinch game with knees, elbows and kicks.

ClydebankBlitz 01-02-2013 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GrappleRetarded (Post 1665564)
I think using BJJ and playing around in the guard in a rematch is the wrong game plan to have. I think the fight would even go a lot worse if he came into the rematch with that mindset. The Big Foot is a respectable BJJ black belt and he got absolutely schooled (and even that's an understatement) on the ground trying to mess around in the guard.

Unless your names Werdum, Big Nog or Mir, trying to control Cain on the ground and work for sweeps and subs is a bad idea.

His best bet is to do what he did last time - get up as quickly as possible, but this time actually punish Cain for missed take downs and actually develop some kind of offensive clinch game with knees, elbows and kicks.


Basically not getting caught with that shot will change the next fight. If Cain fights as wrecklessly as he was looking to be, JDS WILL stop him. I personally don't see Cain winning the third. JDS will keep his hands up, use his natural TDD and punish Cain to the body. I'd see it being close to a decision, but this time I'll go for the risk and say JDS by TKO in the 4th. Ima remember this thread to quote once again when I'm right :D

jonnyg4508 01-02-2013 07:09 PM

He can get Bigfoot after Overeem gets done with him just like Cain after Cormier. He can wreck him, then I have no problem with him getting a rematch.

Poor Bigfoot. He has been fed to the wolves.

GrappleRetarded 01-02-2013 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ClydebankBlitz (Post 1665568)
Basically not getting caught with that shot will change the next fight. If Cain fights as wrecklessly as he was looking to be, JDS WILL stop him. I personally don't see Cain winning the third. JDS will keep his hands up, use his natural TDD and punish Cain to the body. I'd see it being close to a decision, but this time I'll go for the risk and say JDS by TKO in the 4th. Ima remember this thread to quote once again when I'm right :D

I don't think the shot in the opening round had much to do with JDS getting steam rolled for five. Dos Santos himself said immediately after the fight to Rogan when asked about the effects of the punch that it was nothing to him because he is so used to getting hit all of the time in training/sparring.

JDS can't keep his hands up if he wants to defend the relentless take downs of Velasquez, that's the catch. He immediately needs to get under hooks on Cain to stop the take down. If Junior has his hands high, Cain gets a quick shot in low, Junior won't have time to defend the take down, he's hitting the mat.

He really, really needs to work on an offensive clinch game, that's the only thing I can see him using to winning the fight.

ClydebankBlitz 01-02-2013 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GrappleRetarded (Post 1665573)
I don't think the shot in the opening round had much to do with JDS getting steam rolled for five. Dos Santos himself said immediately after the fight to Rogan when asked about the effects of the punch that it was nothing to him because he is so used to getting hit all of the time in training/sparring.

JDS can't keep his hands up if he wants to defend the relentless take downs of Velasquez, that's the catch. He immediately needs to get under hooks on Cain to stop the take down. If Junior has his hands high, Cain gets a quick shot in low, Junior won't have time to defend the take down, he's hitting the mat.

He really, really needs to work on an offensive clinch game, that's the only thing I can see him using to winning the fight.

Might be controversial, but I'm not all that impressed by Cain's wrestling. I think he seriously lacks grappling skills, and really relies on pure strength and timing to land a takedown. JDS isn't really one to throw stupid and over commit. Timing really shouldnt be the biggest issue to him and he wont get caught kicking like Bigfoot did. JDS was moving back with his hands by his side. He wasn;t even defending jabs, where most people have a decent balance between them. I think JDS felt like he was completley secure on the feet, which was obviously not the case. The shot itself didn't harm him that long, but long enough for Cain to rip every last bit of energy from him. Cain will be predictable with his takedowns, and until that shot he was. JDS needs to just be confident in his TDD, keep his hands high enough and be looking for the counter. If he's in the mentality like you say, where he can't keep his hands up because of the TD or he can't counter because it'll leave him open, he's going to lose the fight right out because that's a negative fighting style, and you can NEVER be negative against a pressure fighter or you'll get slaughtered, like he did.

GrappleRetarded 01-02-2013 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ClydebankBlitz (Post 1665575)
Might be controversial, but I'm not all that impressed by Cain's wrestling. I think he seriously lacks grappling skills, and really relies on pure strength and timing to land a takedown. JDS isn't really one to throw stupid and over commit. Timing really shouldnt be the biggest issue to him and he wont get caught kicking like Bigfoot did. JDS was moving back with his hands by his side. He wasn;t even defending jabs, where most people have a decent balance between them. I think JDS felt like he was completley secure on the feet, which was obviously not the case. The shot itself didn't harm him that long, but long enough for Cain to rip every last bit of energy from him. Cain will be predictable with his takedowns, and until that shot he was. JDS needs to just be confident in his TDD, keep his hands high enough and be looking for the counter. If he's in the mentality like you say, where he can't keep his hands up because of the TD or he can't counter because it'll leave him open, he's going to lose the fight right out because that's a negative fighting style, and you can NEVER be negative against a pressure fighter or you'll get slaughtered, like he did.

Not controversial, just flat out wrong. You think Cain seriously lacks grappling skills, well, you're just wrong. You think Cain relies on strength, power and timing to get take downs rather than technique.....wrong. Even then, timing is a very important part of getting take downs so I'm not sure why you're listing that as some sort of negative. The reason why GSP has such good take downs is because of his impeccable timing on going for the shot.

That said, Cain gets most of his take downs in the clinch, so timing isn't really one of his main attributes. Strength and power? He's one of the smallest Heavyweights on the roster. How was it he managed to out wrestle Brock Lesnar? Strength and power? Nah, he out wrestled Brock because he was the vastly superior technical MMA wrestler.

I think it's quite ignorant to say that Cains wrestling skills aren't impressive and that his grappling is lacking when 90 percent of his career wins have come through taking his opponents down and absolutely destroying them on the ground. A dude lacking grappling skills wouldn't have man handled a guy like Big Foot on the ground.

Cains grappling is top notch, his wrestling is elite, and rather than power and strength, being one of the smaller heavies, he relies on technique to secure the take downs and control his opponents on the ground. That's how he was also so successful during his amateur wrestling career, wrestling guys much bigger and stronger than himself.

Just so happens that JDS also has out standing take down defense. That's what happens when an immovable object meets and unstoppable force. Cain looked sloppy on a few take downs on Junior? Why? Because Junior is an outstanding defensive wrestler himself. Jon Jones' wrestling didn't look as powerful as it usually did when he fought Rashad Evans? Why? Because Rashad is also a fantastic wrestler, doesn't make Jones any less of a monster wrestler.

El Bresko 01-02-2013 07:42 PM

anybody that has ever wrestled knows that Cain's a complete badass on the mats.


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