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Old 01-05-2013, 04:13 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Belfort will beat Bisping (kills me to say it), but Bisping can definitely beat Weidman, and definitely beat/finish Belcher imo.
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:29 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I don't know that Belfort is necessarily anything more than a brazilian Brian Stann with a black belt in jiu jitsu.

Won't be surprised if Bisping out techniques Belfort standing and sinks some TDs on his path to yet another UD he tries polish in claiming his opponent visited a hospital afterward.

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I don't know that Belfort is necessarily anything more than a brazilian Brian Stann with a black belt in jiu jitsu.
what?

Stann doesn't have nearly the speed, technique and fluidity on the feet that Belfort has.
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Yeah I felt that was very harsh to Belfort too. Stann has a bit of power behind him, but is pretty generic at striking in all forms. Belfort has timing, speed and sharpness. Belfort isn't the strongest ever while Stann has natural strength, but Belfort generates so much more power through punch technique that if he lands on Bisping, you can at least expect the same results that Stann had when he landed.

The biggest thing to me is Belfort's finishing ability. If he rocks you, he stops you. He's one of the best in the world at it, maybe only having Anderson Silva ahead of him. Bisping proved that his chin isn't great and that he is pretty open to getting tagged in the Stann fight, and assuming Belfort's striking is only equal to Stann's, if he rocks Bisping he's gonna finish it.
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Weidman fought Maia on 11 days notice. With a full training camp he dominates and finishes that fight. The fact he still won after a grueling weight cut is just as impressive.


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I find that hilarious that you think that makes his striking magically not shit.


I also like how you repeatedly mention people's weight cuts like anyone gives a ****.
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I've said it a lot that I'm not convinced on the Weidman hype. I think he needs a real win to prove his talent. Mark Munoz is not that impressive to me so that alone doesn't give me anything. If he was to beat Lombard, Belfort or Bisping in impressive fashion then that would be his highlighting moment to me.

I bet for his next fight they give him Okami (if Bisping wins). Okami is the easiest "elite" opponent, just like Boetsch was, so it's annoying that they aren't giving him the real challenges. Okami has a great chance to beat him, because Okami has the oppertunity to out muscle anyone, but he has no chin or striking so Weidman should make easy work of him and get a title shot without actually being asked to break a sweat.
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what?

Stann doesn't have nearly the speed, technique and fluidity on the feet that Belfort has.
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Yeah I felt that was very harsh to Belfort too. Stann has a bit of power behind him, but is pretty generic at striking in all forms. Belfort has timing, speed and sharpness. Belfort isn't the strongest ever while Stann has natural strength, but Belfort generates so much more power through punch technique that if he lands on Bisping, you can at least expect the same results that Stann had when he landed.

The biggest thing to me is Belfort's finishing ability. If he rocks you, he stops you. He's one of the best in the world at it, maybe only having Anderson Silva ahead of him. Bisping proved that his chin isn't great and that he is pretty open to getting tagged in the Stann fight, and assuming Belfort's striking is only equal to Stann's, if he rocks Bisping he's gonna finish it.

Belfort had a hard time finishing Akiyama and Johnson. His boxing looked almost non-existent against Jones. In a way it seems as if his power is fading.

I think Brian Stann hits harder than Belfort does.

But both tend to keep their feet planted always ready to throw a KO punch at all times and don't move much?

All Bisping needs to do is get Belfort down or tie him up against the cage and make Belfort gas out his arms and a good portion of Belfort's punching power will be gone.

Belfort lets loose against Silva, Franklin and others he knows aren't likely to go for the takedown.

But in the back of his mind he has to know Bisping has strong wrestling and be worried about the TD and it could be enough of a doubt for him to be conservative with his boxing and for Bisping to edge him out on a UD.

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I think in terms of striking it isn't so much Belforts power, it's more his accuracy, he just finds the button that turns the lights off. If Bisping lasts the first round, then we have a fight on our hands.
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Belfort had a hard time finishing Akiyama and Johnson. His boxing looked almost non-existent against Jones. In a way it seems as if his power is fading.

I think Brian Stann hits harder than Belfort does.

But both tend to keep their feet planted always ready to throw a KO punch at all times and don't move much?

All Bisping needs to do is get Belfort down or tie him up against the cage and make Belfort gas out his arms and a good portion of Belfort's punching power will be gone.

Belfort lets loose against Silva, Franklin and others he knows aren't likely to go for the takedown.

But in the back of his mind he has to know Bisping has strong wrestling and be worried about the TD and it could be enough of a doubt for him to be conservative with his boxing and for Bisping to edge him out on a UD.
He never really hurt Johnson that bad if I remember, and he had no hard time finishing Akiyama. I think that considering that both fights were first round finishes, that was a horrible example.

He couldn't get close to Jones, just like all of his opponents. If you're holding it by those standards, Machida looks terrible stand up aswell.

I don't think his power, or his skill level, is fading at all. People always say this, but look at the records. He's only lost to Anderson Silva and Jon Jones in the last 6 years, and out of his 7 wins he's 6 of them, 5 in the first round and 5 by KO.

I don't agree that Stann hits harder at all. Stann has a bit of pop and can finish a fight, but while he CAN, Belfort DOES.

Yeah they aren't the most technical when it comes to striking, but Belfort has no problem matching anyone on the feet. "All Bisping has to do". Lol. All I would have to do to beat Anderson Silva is get him down and knock him out on the ground. That's how saying that works yeah?
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Belfort had a hard time finishing Akiyama and Johnson. His boxing looked almost non-existent against Jones. In a way it seems as if his power is fading.

I think Brian Stann hits harder than Belfort does.

But both tend to keep their feet planted always ready to throw a KO punch at all times and don't move much?

All Bisping needs to do is get Belfort down or tie him up against the cage and make Belfort gas out his arms and a good portion of Belfort's punching power will be gone.

Belfort lets loose against Silva, Franklin and others he knows aren't likely to go for the takedown.

But in the back of his mind he has to know Bisping has strong wrestling and be worried about the TD and it could be enough of a doubt for him to be conservative with his boxing and for Bisping to edge him out on a UD.
What are you talking about

Vitor looked impressive in both those fights and hardly had a hard time. He is fighting grown men who are professional fighters not kids. So he isnt going to be able to just get a finish whenever he wants but he still finished both fights in the first round. Pretty impressive id say.
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