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Ring performance vs Octagon's

In another thread, El Bresko brought up a point about Mirko Cro Cop and the difference in his performances in the rings and in the octagon and I would like to know opinions on what are the major differences for the fighters using one stage or another, specially considering many of the fights listed where stand up fights?

Here is the quote "respectifully stolen" :thumb02:

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Originally Posted by El Bresko (Post 1666283)

Cro Cop is completely overrated in an octagon. The ring was and always will be his domain.

In the ring he managed to beat guys like Peter Aerts, Jerome Le Banner, Mike Bernardo, Musashi, Mark Hunt, Remy Bonjasky, Ray Sefo, Barnett, Randleman, Mark Coleman and Wanderlei.

In the octagon he lost to Gonzaga, Kongo, Roy Nelson, a shitty looking Frank Mir and Brendan Schaub.

The KO was cool but it never would have happened if it was in a ring.

Personally, I think Fedor in a cage is a lot more beatable than Fedor in a ring.

Was it the Werdum fight where he wall walked to sink in the triangle? I just don't think Fedor was even expecting it having spent so much of his fight career in a ring.

That is just one of many examples i can think of where a Legend in the ring lost in a cage because it just wasnt their arena.

I think alot of it has to do with footwork. Cro Cop has fought in the ring for years in both K-1 and Pride. He mastered the art of closing off parts of the ring, backing people up into corners etc. Also, without the cage to lean up against, in order to engage a clinch, his opponents have to move out of the way and usually they moved right into a CC head kick or left hook.

Aren't the rings generally bigger then the cages?

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Originally Posted by OUSOONERSOU (Post 1666492)

Aren't the rings generally bigger then the cages?

http://www.mmaforum.com/gear-equipme...agon-ring.html

Have a butchers at this thread.

Its so much harder to cut off a person from circling when in an octagon. 8 sides, and the angles are so wide it is almost like a circle. If the fighter doesn't have good footwork, he is gonna be chasing his opponent for the entire fight.

Gives an advantage to fighters who circle and counter punch though. Fighters like Bisping, Machida and Anderson Silva, the octagon benefits them.

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Originally Posted by Tyson Fury (Post 1666498)

http://www.mmaforum.com/gear-equipme...agon-ring.html

Have a butchers at this thread.

Yeah I don't see any definitive answer there. But the ring is obviously bigger. I just don't know how much bigger.

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Originally Posted by OUSOONERSOU (Post 1666500)

Yeah I don't see any definitive answer there. But the ring is obviously bigger. I just don't know how much bigger.

The cage is bigger ;)

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UFC Octagon
Source - http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...9133213AAdO7yA

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The Octagon
The UFC stages bouts in an octagonal caged enclosure, "The Octagon." Originally, SEG trademarked The Octagon and prevented other mixed martial arts promotions from using the same type of cage, but in 2001, Zuffa gave its permission for other promotions to use octagonal cages (while reserving use of the name "Octagon"), reasoning that the young sport needed uniformity to continue to win official sanctioning.[35]
The cage is an eight-sided structure with walls of metal chain-link fence coated with black vinyl and a diameter of 32 ft (9.75 m), allowing 30 ft (9 m) of space from point to point. The fence is 5'6" to 5'8" high. The cage sits atop a platform, raising it 4 ft (1.2 m) from the ground. It has foam padding around the top of the fence and between each of the eight sections. It also has two entry-exit gates opposite each other.[36]
The mat, painted with sponsorship logos and art, is replaced for each event.

Pride Ring

source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_FC#Ring

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Pride used a five-roped square ring with sides 7 m in length (approximately 23 ft).

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Originally Posted by OUSOONERSOU (Post 1666500)

Yeah I don't see any definitive answer there. But the ring is obviously bigger. I just don't know how much bigger.

I failed you. :sad02:

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Originally Posted by Tyson Fury (Post 1666511)

I failed you. :sad02:

I failed long before you came along. :shame01: