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Old 01-06-2013, 01:45 PM   #41 (permalink)
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This fight is a clearly just an attempt to set up gimmicky cash-in fight between Cyborg and Ronda. Dana basically admitted it.

WMMA is a joke. At least in other women's sports, like women's basketball, they have good fundamentals to make up for the fact that they are athletically inferior.
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How is it unearned? It's no different than when Cruz/Faber headlined 132.


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You're Sort of right.

Looking at the 132 card, i think at that time there could be an argument for it not being the Main Event. That said Faber-Cruz were much more well known than Rousey-Carmouche are right now.

Rousey-Carmouche have 15 fights between them.. Cruz and Faber both had more fights individually going into that fight.

We just need to be fair and objective here, the girls are not the biggest draw - they are not the most well known nor have they put as much time in as Henderson-Machida, they should not be main eventing.
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:04 PM   #43 (permalink)
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The thing is though is that Carmouche is tough, Ronda won't be able to walk through her, it's just the way the media is portraying things. To refer back to an earlier post about blowouts, very very few people expected anything other than complete and utter domination of Bonnar by Silva, yet they all still bought. I guess in that regard, their names saved them though.
It will be over in less than two minutes probably less than a minute. Ronda will jab. Jab. Jab cross clinch if she can't push her to the fence she'll try a trip to a throw then throw to trip If she's not don't yet she will pull guard to an armbar and snap her arm if she doesn't tap.

I'm sorry but this fight is a joke and it has nothing to do with women. Ronda is literally chaining Olympic judo together. She is head and shoulders above everyone not named cyborg. Most of these girls have been fighting what a couple years? How long have they been seriously training at a top level? None of them are training with world class people. I'm sorry not to be sexist but most are training with their husband or their brother. Ronda has been competing since she was what five? And we constantly hear about her training with all kinds of people. Wmma might make it at some point but it needs women training at a high level and a lot of them doing it.

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I guess since you didnt know that the WNBA is paid for by the NBA and breaks even and nothing more would help your comment.
I suppose, taken out of context like that, my comment sounds foolish, you're right.
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I suppose, taken out of context like that, my comment sounds foolish, you're right.
Its cool at least you came around ;-) It would be awesome though in a way for so many people to be wrong and it end up being a great fight to start off the year lol....which It wont but.....you never know.

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This card is as weak as UFC 151, its an injury away from another possible cancellation. A guaranteed cancellation if Dana's girlfriend Rousey is the one that manages to drop. He did all of this for her after all.

Most people expect Rousey to just plod in, eat shots, grab opponent, judo toss, armbar. Keep trying if it didnt work. She is as one dimensional as they come, the thing is that her opponents arent at the level where they can avoid this simple thing or at least drop Rousey with a powerful punch. Only Cyborg Santos can come in and smash Rousey within 15 seconds. She is only getting this fame because Dana props her up so much.

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This card is as weak as UFC 151, its an injury away from another possible cancellation. A guaranteed cancellation if Dana's girlfriend Rousey is the one that manages to drop. He did all of this for her after all.

Most people expect Rousey to just plod in, eat shots, grab opponent, judo toss, armbar. Keep trying if it didnt work. She is as one dimensional as they come, the thing is that her opponents arent at the level where they can avoid this simple thing or at least drop Rousey with a powerful punch. Only Cyborg Santos can come in and smash Rousey within 15 seconds. She is only getting this fame because Dana props her up so much.
Not even close.

Machida/Hendo
Faber/Menjivar
Mendes/Gamburyan
Koscheck/Lawler
Schaub/Johnson

157 is a badass card and I didn't even bring up Bermudez, the future of the Featherweight division, that guy is an animal.
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You can open your mind all you want, but in the end you're not gonna force open people's wallets with what is basically a niche and inferior product.
Let me give you a possible window into Dana's mind. Every tennis slam final that one or both of the Williams sisters played in has gotten better US TV ratings than the corresponding men's final.

Different sports, but the common idea is that Americans will watch women in individual competitive sports, IF they are stars, and IF it's for a championship. I don't think, near term anyway, the UFC has a division here. But they do have a star, and they do have a championship. And if this sells about as well as the average UFC event, he'll keep at it.

It doesn't matter if you like it or I like, as long as ENOUGH people buy the PPV, for whatever reason. And if they are people who were NOT buying the UFC before, that's an added bonus.

It's all about the money.
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Let me give you a possible window into Dana's mind. Every tennis slam final that one or both of the Williams sisters played in has gotten better US TV ratings than the corresponding men's final.

Different sports, but the common idea is that Americans will watch women in individual competitive sports, IF they are stars, and IF it's for a championship. I don't think, near term anyway, the UFC has a division here. But they do have a star, and they do have a championship. And if this sells about as well as the average UFC event, he'll keep at it.

It doesn't matter if you like it or I like, as long as ENOUGH people buy the PPV, for whatever reason. And if they are people who were NOT buying the UFC before, that's an added bonus.

It's all about the money.
It's a short term cash grab, however, it is far from sustainable. It would not shock me at all to see the division dissolved by next year. An upper echelon of female fighters encompasses about half a dozen women. They have two stars, one in an inactive/retired Gina Carano, and the other Rhonda Rousey, and one badass in Cyborg.

The sports of tennis and mma are entirely different that I don't think a reasonable comparison can be made. Tennis has been around forever, and was one of the earliest sports to be commonly accepted for women to competitively play. There have been a number of female tennis stars such as Martina Navratilova, Billie Jean King, Chris Evert, Steffi Graff, and Monica Seles that helped pave the way for the Williams sisters. WMMA just does not have the benefit of having a strong talent pool.

MMA is a combat sport, tennis is not. There is a reason that the HW division tends to dictate the success of combat sports, spectators want to see the biggest and the baddest, and the girls just aint gonna provide it. Lastly, tennis provides a broader sex appeal. Most men don't find bruises, bleeding, corn-rows, swelling, and tap-outs as turn on's... but watch five minutes of a Maria Sharapova match and you're money.
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