[Tyson Fury]

Originally Posted by HitOrGetHit

Your idea of a biggest win is different than mine. I consider the best fighter a person has beaten as their best win. Franklin, Rumble, a KO of a prime Wanderlei Silva in under 1 minute. Destroying someone like Tank back in the day who was huge compared to Vitor. Gilbert Yvel, Akiyama.

These are all better wins than what you are giving.


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This would also be my view as a fighters best win. Especially when their 'championship fight' came in the NHB era. I have to say though, I disagree that 1998 was when Wanderlei was in his prime. I refer to my last post on this thread, in that I just think people have different views when it comes to a fighters biggest win. To be honest, it seems the both of you are using fights from the NHB era to justify your own points. The whole MMA game, from rule sets to quality of fighters has since changed dramatically, so I really don't think using these examples holds much water.

That being said. Franklin is Vitors biggest win.

[El Bresko]

Even Lindland was a decent win, not to mention he beat Herring who was huge and skilled.,

[HitOrGetHit]

Originally Posted by Tyson Fury

This would also be my view as a fighters best win. Especially when their 'championship fight' came in the NHB era. I have to say though, I disagree that 1998 was when Wanderlei was in his prime. I refer to my last post on this thread, in that I just think people have different views when it comes to a fighters biggest win. To be honest, it seems the both of you are using fights from the NHB era to justify your own points. The whole MMA game, from rule sets to quality of fighters has since changed dramatically, so I really don't think using these examples holds much water.

That being said. Franklin is Vitors biggest win.

Just because rules change doesn't take away the wins. Overall fighters have gotten better, but Vitor still had good wins back then and they can't be taken away just because things changed. I mean rules changed a lot since Pride, but we don't discredit the things that happened there.


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[gazh]

Originally Posted by HitOrGetHit

Your idea of a biggest win is different than mine. I consider the best fighter a person has beaten as their best win. Franklin, Rumble, a KO of a prime Wanderlei Silva in under 1 minute. Destroying someone like Tank back in the day who was huge compared to Vitor. Gilbert Yvel, Akiyama.

These are all better wins than what you are giving.

Rich Franklin
Anthony Johnson
Wanderlei Silva
Tank Abbott
Gilbert Yvel
Yoshihiro Akiyama

VS

Brian Stann
Chris Leben
Denis Kang
Jason Miller
Jorge Rivera
Yoshihiro Akiyama

Hitorgethit, this is not directed at you per say but, generally people say Bispings wins are unimpressive, to be honest comparing the caliber in these lists i don't think the quality is too far apart, i would probably agree Vitor edges it, but people shit on Bispings record to often.

Stann is a solid win by most peoples estimations. Leben's solid but his respect was stolen by Bisping - before that fight he was classed as a respected power puncher now he's considered a joke. Denis Kang came over to the UFC with alot of hype - as did Jason Miller, and the Rivera/Akiyama are decent wins.

[RearNaked]

Originally Posted by gazh

to be honest comparing the caliber in these lists i don't think the quality is too far apart

Exactly. I don't even like Bisping, and I agree that the British fans overrate him, but no more than Brazilian fans overrate Vitor.

The difference being that at least Bisping is consistent. You don't know what the hell you're going to get when Belfort steps in there and if his opponent doesn't roll over and die in the first round after getting punched in the back of the head ten times, he loses every time out.

Neither guy has a snowball's chance in hell vs Anderson, so there's really no point to this 'title eliminator.'

[RearNaked]

Originally Posted by HitOrGetHit

Your idea of a biggest win is different than mine. I consider the best fighter a person has beaten as their best win. Franklin, Rumble, a KO of a prime Wanderlei Silva in under 1 minute. Destroying someone like Tank back in the day who was huge compared to Vitor. Gilbert Yvel, Akiyama.

These are all better wins than what you are giving.


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Ferrozo beat Tank pretty lopsidedly when they fought. That was one of the first UFCs I watched. To call Tank a legit win and Ferozzo not a legit win is absurd.

The truth is neither are legit wins.

[HitOrGetHit]

Originally Posted by gazh

Rich Franklin
Anthony Johnson
Wanderlei Silva
Tank Abbott
Gilbert Yvel
Yoshihiro Akiyama

VS

Brian Stann
Chris Leben
Denis Kang
Jason Miller
Jorge Rivera
Yoshihiro Akiyama

Hitorgethit, this is not directed at you per say but, generally people say Bispings wins are unimpressive, to be honest comparing the caliber in these lists i don't think the quality is too far apart, i would probably agree Vitor edges it, but people shit on Bispings record to often.

Stann is a solid win by most peoples estimations. Leben's solid but his respect was stolen by Bisping - before that fight he was classed as a respected power puncher now he's considered a joke. Denis Kang came over to the UFC with alot of hype - as did Jason Miller, and the Rivera/Akiyama are decent wins.

Yeah and I wasn't trying to put down Bisping. I was originally replying to Killz pointing out that Vitor wasn't knocking off the top fighters, so I just said neither is Bisping really. I think Bisping has some solid wins tbh.


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[Killz]

Originally Posted by HitOrGetHit

Yeah and I wasn't trying to put down Bisping. I was originally replying to Killz pointing out that Vitor wasn't knocking off the top fighters, so I just said neither is Bisping really. I think Bisping has some solid wins tbh.


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Yeah, my point was that people go on about how Vitor is this Soul destroying world beater, when in fact, he hasnt beaten much better opponents than Bisping, who I dont consider to have beaten any GREAT fighters.

[Budhisten]

But he almost submitted Jones though - that was cool

[OU]

Originally Posted by Budhisten

But he almost submitted Jones though - that was cool

It was cool until he let go...