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Vitor Belfort 42 67.74%
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Stann and Vitor are different animals. I will admit I also thought Stann could possibly beat Bisping but I was not very confident about it since Mike had the better speed, cardio, technique and even better grappling. But against Vitor IMO He doesn't have any of those advantages outside of cardio/pace. Vitor is faster, a better striker and his ground game is more developed even if he doesn't use it very often.
I just think Vitor is a bad match for Mike with is hand speed and power. I expect Vitor to blitz Mike at some point.
It's not unconceivable to think that the big punch doesnt come though, and Bisping could outgrapple him against the cage, land a jab every now and again, and take the decision.



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But who has Bisping picked apart really? Leben? Dan Miller? Vitor's striking is so much more technically sound, so much more powerful and so much faster. Bisping has looked good but against strikers who are far less capable than Vitor.


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Bisping doesnt have natural skills. He's not the fastest and he's not the strongest. But it's his strategy going in which makes the difference. If he can work around allowing Vitor to land a big shot, he will win the fight. If he can make it a grappling exchange or even take it to the ground in each round, I think Bisping will convincingly win. His danger is on the feet because he is quite succeptible to getting caught and Vitor will definently put him away if he gets the same moments Stann got.



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I don't believe Vitor is the better Kick Boxer, he has more power and is known for his fast hands but he doesn't have great movement and i can't remember him utilising kicks and knees too often.

If Vitor lands something big early he can end this fight fast, i just think Bisping has has been here before against similar fighters (not exactly the same, granted) and has had an appropriate gameplan.

People have been complimentary of Bisping's wrestling over recent years but the fact is he loses to wrestlers (Sonnen, Henderson, Rashad.. Hammill took him to the wire) and tends to do well against guys who he can get down.

I think he will get Vitor down multiple times during this fight and if he is going to win this fight he will have to.

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Bisping doesnt have natural skills. He's not the fastest and he's not the strongest. But it's his strategy going in which makes the difference. If he can work around allowing Vitor to land a big shot, he will win the fight. If he can make it a grappling exchange or even take it to the ground in each round, I think Bisping will convincingly win. His danger is on the feet because he is quite succeptible to getting caught and Vitor will definently put him away if he gets the same moments Stann got.
What I'm saying is why is it only the big shot. Who is to say Vitor doesn't pick Bisping apart or just beat him around the octagon all night. Bisping hasn't proven he can out strike someone like Vitor. Now that doesn't mean he can't do it, but he hasn't done anything to make me think Vitor couldn't do the same to him.


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What I'm saying is why is it only the big shot. Who is to say Vitor doesn't pick Bisping apart or just beat him around the octagon all night. Bisping hasn't proven he can out strike someone like Vitor. Now that doesn't mean he can't do it, but he hasn't done anything to make me think Vitor couldn't do the same to him.
Bisping has shown more skills with his jab and distance, an in overall technical ability, than Belfort has imo. Belfort has good timing, speed and power, which are all basically Bisping's weaknesses on the feet, so it will be very hard. It's not really a punchers chance thought. It's one big shot he needs, but it's a big shot he can wait for, pick and land with precision. I don't think Belfort will match Bisping's grappling skills and Mike can make this a boring fight and get the win. It's just going to take insane defence and awareness, which he hasn't shown in the past.



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I don't see Bisping outgrappling Vitor in anyway. Vitor, who likes to KO ppl, is the one who is Carlson Gracie pupil. Who not very long ago finished a monster like Anthony Johnson and pulled Jones to his guard when needed, giving him nightmares. Vitor is stronger and has clear advantage in speed and power while standing. Bisping is more like a methodic striker, as Franklin is in his own style, and Vitor just waited for the opportunity to machine gun him.
If Bisping wins, it will be an upset, as on paper, I don't see it happening in any area.



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I'm never convinced by someones skills just because the train under an established master. Vitor has good enough BJJ, but I think Bisping showed outstanding grappling skills by being able to match Chael Sonnen. Sonnen throws every single person he fights around with his wrestling, and Bisping barley even went on his back in that fight and at times looked to be even better, so I think he needs to be regonized for that. Belfort wasn't nearly active enough from the guard against Jones, and I personally think after that fight that Jones has bad submission defence (only escaping because of his size) so I don't think Belfort really showcases a lot to us there. Regardless Belfort can pull off a sub against anyone and he showed good transitions to get Rumble's back and finish that fight. I think the main grappling will take place on the cage and if it comes to there, I think Bisping will gjust be too heavy on Belfort and have his hands in the right places to keep it there and make it boring. Like a more skillful showing than Mir/Cro Cop. But the problem is, the next round stands with both men in the centre of the cage once again.



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Props to Bisping to counter wrestling Sonnen, but Sonnen has almost zero submission plans. Although pupil means only student, when said in Portuguese normally means a well regarded student and that is an understatement about Vitor and his Master. Vitor is not a wrestler, he is a BJJ black belt and I believe it's not quite fair to judge nobody defense/activity while having Jon Jones in his guard.

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