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post #41 of 48 (permalink) Old 01-14-2013, 11:47 AM
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I'm sure Wandy doesn't genuinely believe JBJ will nulify Sonnens whole arsenal with jabs alone. I think he's trying to make a point, that JBJ won't have too much trouble with Sonnen. Which seems to be the general consensus.




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Not the amount he was taking nor for the intended reasons. What were his levels again? Wasn't he suspended or was about to get suspended? Why would they suspend him for a "legal" substance?
Are you honestly going to argue that TRT isn't a legal substance? How many fighters are using TRT right now and are still permitted to fight?

Go and rewatch the inquiry. Sonnen wasn't suspended for using TRT. He was suspended for failing to report his use of TRT. That's hardly classified information.
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Are you honestly going to argue that TRT isn't a legal substance? How many fighters are using TRT right now and are still permitted to fight?

Go and rewatch the inquiry. Sonnen wasn't suspended for using TRT. He was suspended for failing to report his use of TRT. That's hardly classified information.
"Urinalysis conducted after his loss to Anderson Silva showed Sonnen had an unallowably high testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio of 16.9:1 at the time of the fight. An average man has a T/E ratio of 1:1, and testing bodies may allow a ratio as high as 4:1 for athletes. In other words, Sonnen's T/E ratio was nearly 17 times than a normal man's and over four times the allowed maximum for an athlete.[24] He was fined $2,500 and suspended for one year (until September 2, 2011) by the California State Athletic Commission (CSAC).[25] His scheduled rematch with Silva was subsequently cancelled."

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Yep perfectly legal in how he used it, and it was just a paperwork misunderstanding

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Rule of thumb, sport. Never quote Wikipedia as your primary source.

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Sonnen's suspension last year was a result of his failure to properly disclose twice-weekly testosterone injections prescribed by Dr. Mark Czarnecki beginning in February 2008 for treating hypogonadism, a condition that prevents the body from producing normal levels of testosterone.
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Rule of thumb, sport. Never quote Wikipedia as your primary source.

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So he failed to notify the commission of his TRT treatment and you think that's a sight overlook (am I right?). How do you forget to tell the commission you are on treatment of a possible sports enhancer and come in to fight with level 13 times whats allowed (and 17 times the average man)?

And pretty much everyone who is in the fighting game that's on TRT gets diagnosed with the same thing. To me it's no different from being allowed to carry weed card, all you need is the right doctor.

That being said I am perfectly fine MMA fighters using TRT, as long as it isn't abused (17 times is abusing), I can care less what diagnosis is given because lets be honest here with money you can buy any diagnosis if you find the right doctor.

One final question: If he was perfectly innocent (mixed up paperwork) and there were no legal restrictions on use (already cleared up in my last post) why would he go so far as possibly perjure himself when asked about it? From your own link -

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"Unlike Sonnen's seven previous fights since the treatment began, he tested positive for an abnormally high testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio of 16.9 after the Silva bout. California's allowed limit is 4.0."
But that's ok and a couple of secs shorts grabbing is not? Not looking to get into a debate just for debates sake but I'm not sure how you focus on one thing but shrug off the other.

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Dude, imagine Dragon Ball Z. Jones is like base form Vegeta fighting Mr Satan who is Sonnen using 1 finger to beat him.
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Dude, imagine Dragon Ball Z. Jones is like base form Vegeta fighting Mr Satan who is Sonnen using 1 finger to beat him.
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Wand is just digging his own grave. If chael does lose and he ever gets a fight with Wand. Then he is gonna look extra weak when Chael beats his ass...which we all know he would

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