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Old 01-15-2013, 03:17 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Yeah piracy is pretty high at the moment but unless there is a serious spike in viewership they are never going to change. As they lose old fans they gain new fans, it's like a cycle.

I am just a fan of watching great, technical battles, it's annoying when guys get passed over for title shots but if they keep winning then the UFC has no choice but to give them a shot. Basically if you believe you are the best fighter at your weight then you should have nothing to worry about.

It's unfair, so is life.. Business is always done like this.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:20 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Yeah piracy is pretty high at the moment but unless there is a serious spike in viewership they are never going to change. As they lose old fans they gain new fans, it's like a cycle.

I am just a fan of watching great, technical battles, it's annoying when guys get passed over for title shots but if they keep winning then the UFC has no choice but to give them a shot. Basically if you believe you are the best fighter at your weight then you should have nothing to worry about.

It's unfair, so is life.. Business is always done like this.
You expect a technical battle? I expect a massacre.
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You expect a technical battle? I expect a massacre.
Are we talking about GSP V Diaz or Chael V Bones?

I see Diaz as a bit of a tricky puzzle for GSP due to the excellent guard (let's not forget Condit swept GSP) and excellent standup. Georges isn't amazing at anything aside from wrestling and strength&conditioning, he's a good striker and his jiu jitsu is good. Nick is probably better on the feet and better in BJJ. With that being said it's harder to sub someone off your back in MMA than it is in a BJJ tourney so I see Nick losing a very entertaining decision.

Chael should be able to take Bones down, I hope he can keep him there, on top is the only place Chael has any business against Bones.
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Are we talking about GSP V Diaz or Chael V Bones?

I see Diaz as a bit of a tricky puzzle for GSP due to the excellent guard (let's not forget Condit swept GSP) and excellent standup. Georges isn't amazing at anything aside from wrestling and strength&conditioning, he's a good striker and his jiu jitsu is good. Nick is probably better on the feet and better in BJJ. With that being said it's harder to sub someone off your back in MMA than it is in a BJJ tourney so I see Nick losing a very entertaining decision.

Chael should be able to take Bones down, I hope he can keep him there, on top is the only place Chael has any business against Bones.
Chael vs Bones obviously, that's what the OP was talking about wasn't he?

GSP vs Diaz isn't so bad considering how close the eliminator with Condit was and how established a contender Diaz is at WW anyway, unlike Chael at LHW.

Chael has almost zero chance taking Bones down honestly. He manages it against Middleweights by size and momentum in addition to a technique edge over non wrestlers, at LHW he has been destroyed in the past. I don't see him succeeding where the likes of Rashad, Bader, Matyushenko, Hammill etc. have failed.. all MUCH bigger, stronger wrestlers.

Heck when was the last time Chael even fought another wrestler, let alone a bigger, stronger, wrestler that toys with other big strong wrestlers? Chael looks impressive grinding out strikers and BJJ fighters, not other wrestlers. Don't bring up Okami because yeah he has decent MMA wrestling but not really a wrestling background ... he is another one of those guys that has only looked good wrestling other non-wrestlers.

Yeah Chael may have better wrestling technique in theory although that is debatable as well, but the size difference is ridiculous. If you've wrestled, you'd realize how ridiculous it would be for Chael to hold a guy like Bones down, let alone pound him out.

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so if fitch wins say 3 more in a row would you pay to see fitch/gsp II just because it was a deserved shot, and would you not watch fedor vs brock if something crazy like that ever was in the ufc.
At the time Brock vs Fedor was being talked about, it was very much deserved. You don't have to have wins specifically in the UFC to be deserving. You do have to have wins at that level and in THE SAME FREAKIN DIVISION though. Preferably in the current decade.

At the time Fedor was easily the #1 HW in the world, and Brock was the UFC HW champ. Doesn't get more deserved that that. Even now I might pay for the fight as a sideshow, but not if they suddenly stripped Cain of the belt and made this an undeserved title fight.

I may or may not pay for boring Fitch fights, depends on what other fights are on the card, but I certainly wouldn't NOT buy a card just because he was on it, because at least he earned his way up.

I didn't say I would buy every deserving fight, I said I would go out of my way to buy deserving fighters whom I liked (which Fitch isn't). The implication was I may or may not buy fights that were deserving but boring depending on the rest of the card, and I wouldn't pay money for travesties like Chael's LHW blowout regardless of the rest of the card.

In this particular case, there was no just devil Chael and boring Fitch deep sea problem either. Most people including myself would have happily paid good money to watch the deserving Jones vs Gustaf fight that is overdue. Hendo and Davis are deserving as well (though I'm not too fond of Hendo's TRT).
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He has a very explosive shot and he's not afraid to eat a strike coming in. That's not something Bones has been matched with yet. Rashad (tentative) and Hammill (garbage) were both div.3 All american (I might be wrong but that's what my memory tells me), Vlady is a good wrestler but was old as shit and also is not the explosive, in your face wrestler that Chael is. Bader's MMA wrestling is pretty overrated IMO.

Saying Chael can't hold Bones down because of the size/weight disadvantage is (somewhat) comparable to saying that Cormier wouldn't be able to hold Barnett down. To say that he has zero chance is not the entire truth IMO. His only chance is if he can get it to the ground and keep it there.

I don't think Chael is going to win, I just want him to.
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He has a very explosive shot and he's not afraid to eat a strike coming in. That's not something Bones has been matched with yet. Rashad (tentative) and Hammill (garbage) were both div.3 All american (I might be wrong but that's what my memory tells me), Vlady is a good wrestler but was old as shit and also is not the explosive, in your face wrestler that Chael is. Bader's MMA wrestling is pretty overrated IMO.

Saying Chael can't hold Bones down because of the size/weight disadvantage is (somewhat) comparable to saying that Cormier wouldn't be able to hold Barnett down. To say that he has zero chance is not the entire truth IMO. His only chance is if he can get it to the ground and keep it there.

I don't think Chael is going to win, I just want him to.
Chael vs Bones is nothing like Cormier vs Barnett.

Cormier happens to be an Olympic runner up and World Championships Bronze medal wrestler. He is a five time Olympic team member, was nominated team captain, and has the best wrestling creds in the entire history of MMA. Barnett's "wrestling" creds happen to be from running around in fake pro wrestling against japanese dudes with masks on.

The two are not even comparable, even a 100 lb difference would not make up for the difference in wrestling levels. Which isn't the case, because the weight difference is only 19 lbs, most of which is fat, Barnett being the pudgier of the two.

Bones on the other hand is state champ wrestler himself, he never went to the NCAA because he dropped out, but it's clear he can hang with and dominate NCAA all americans, which is somewhere around Chael's level (Chael is nowhere near the legendary achievements of Cormier). He walks around at 225-230 lbs and Chael at 200-210ish, but that 20+ lbs is ALL LEAN MUSCLE and reach. Did you see that thanksgiving pic of the two? It looked like a hobbit next to a troll.

Rashad was also an NCAA Div-I wrestler who missed his All American by one match. He has also dominated NCAA Div-I champ Davis in the wrestling dept., and has shown a dynamic shot. He was made tentative after eating elbows from Jones, as will Chael when he realizes he's eating elbows from the neighboring postcode and gets all his shots from 2 miles away stuffed.

I think you are going to be sorely disappointed come fight night.
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chael will have jones down a few times and won't let him up, those long legs however pose an interesting challenge to see jon's triangle and back skills. Bader is garbage, hammil is garbage, vlad is way past it and not great at wrestling, and rashad like you said half assed his shots and by then he was already very tired. I have never even seen jon get a real double leg attempted on him or single leg let alone anyone actually getting a hold of him.
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I stand by my statement that they are somewhat comparable, Chael is the smaller wrestler with much higher credentials (Olympic Alternate himself and World University Champion) than Bones.. To discredit Barnett's catchwrestling is ridiculous. Obviously Cormier is better than Chael but I would never say that Bones is a better grappler than Barnett.
Cormier was like 20 pounds lighter than Barnett, Chael and Bones will come in at similar weights.

I might be disappointed, but we're used to that as MMA fans though.. (and Bones haters)
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Chael Sonnen's reward for losing a title fight against Anderson Silva is another title fight against an even bigger opponent.

Has this ever happened before? Has anyone else been rewarded for losing a title fight?
Other fighters were offered the fight and they declined. Stop whining about it already.

After Chael beats up Jones he's gonna go on a diet and beat up Hosay Aldo
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