Originally Posted by El Bresko
Are we talking about GSP V Diaz or Chael V Bones?
I see Diaz as a bit of a tricky puzzle for GSP due to the excellent guard (let's not forget Condit swept GSP) and excellent standup. Georges isn't amazing at anything aside from wrestling and strength&conditioning, he's a good striker and his jiu jitsu is good. Nick is probably better on the feet and better in BJJ. With that being said it's harder to sub someone off your back in MMA than it is in a BJJ tourney so I see Nick losing a very entertaining decision.
Chael should be able to take Bones down, I hope he can keep him there, on top is the only place Chael has any business against Bones.
Chael vs Bones obviously, that's what the OP was talking about wasn't he?
GSP vs Diaz isn't so bad considering how close the eliminator with Condit was and how established a contender Diaz is at WW anyway, unlike Chael at LHW.
Chael has almost zero chance taking Bones down honestly. He manages it against Middleweights by size and momentum in addition to a technique edge over non wrestlers, at LHW he has been destroyed in the past. I don't see him succeeding where the likes of Rashad, Bader, Matyushenko, Hammill etc. have failed.. all MUCH bigger, stronger wrestlers.
Heck when was the last time Chael even fought another wrestler, let alone a bigger, stronger, wrestler that toys with other big strong wrestlers? Chael looks impressive grinding out strikers and BJJ fighters, not other wrestlers. Don't bring up Okami because yeah he has decent MMA wrestling but not really a wrestling background ... he is another one of those guys that has only looked good wrestling other non-wrestlers.
Yeah Chael may have better wrestling technique in theory although that is debatable as well, but the size difference is ridiculous. If you've wrestled, you'd realize how ridiculous it would be for Chael to hold a guy like Bones down, let alone pound him out.
Originally Posted by UFC_OWNS
so if fitch wins say 3 more in a row would you pay to see fitch/gsp II just because it was a deserved shot, and would you not watch fedor vs brock if something crazy like that ever was in the ufc.
At the time Brock vs Fedor was being talked about, it was very much deserved. You don't have to have wins specifically in the UFC to be deserving. You do have to have wins at that level and in THE SAME FREAKIN DIVISION though. Preferably in the current decade.
At the time Fedor was easily the #1 HW in the world, and Brock was the UFC HW champ. Doesn't get more deserved that that. Even now I might pay for the fight as a sideshow, but not if they suddenly stripped Cain of the belt and made this an undeserved title fight.
I may or may not pay for boring Fitch fights, depends on what other fights are on the card, but I certainly wouldn't NOT buy a card just because he was on it, because at least he earned his way up.
I didn't say I would buy every deserving fight, I said I would go out of my way to buy deserving fighters whom I liked (which Fitch isn't). The implication was I may or may not buy fights that were deserving but boring depending on the rest of the card, and I wouldn't pay money for travesties like Chael's LHW blowout regardless of the rest of the card.
In this particular case, there was no just devil Chael and boring Fitch deep sea problem either. Most people including myself would have happily paid good money to watch the deserving Jones vs Gustaf fight that is overdue. Hendo and Davis are deserving as well (though I'm not too fond of Hendo's TRT).