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post #141 of 147 (permalink) Old 06-10-2006, 04:23 PM
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I guess I just cant get used to seeing Gracie lose

It just did not seem right, I guess it is because I have been a fan of the UFC since #1 and I was expecting the same outcome like the Gracie of old. You made some good points.
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post #142 of 147 (permalink) Old 06-11-2006, 01:25 AM
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out with the old and in with the new... royce has already admitted that ufc 1 thru 4 was an infomercial for brazilian jujitsu... it opened all of our eyes... thank them for that alone... dont think for one second that they brought anyone to the ufc that they thought could possibly beat them... the baddest men on the planet were not invited to the early ufc competitions... make no mistake about it
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post #143 of 147 (permalink) Old 06-11-2006, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by donttap
Sorry this is a little old, but did it seem like the Gracie we saw was not the Gracie of old. Not just his performance in the 8 but he did not have that look like he did back in the day. It almost looked like he was not comfortable with some of the changes. When was the last time he fought with no Gi? I think I would like to see them go at it again only with the original UFC rules. You think that would be any good?

First time poster here. Gracie is not the fighter he was back in the early 90's because time is a fighters biggest enemy and his prime was back in the early to mid 90's. Sure, fighters like Randy Coutoure and Ken Shamrock are great fighters and they are in their 40's but they are the exception and not the rule. No one will ever know what the outcome of this fight would have been had both fighters been in their prime but I believe it would have ended the same.
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post #144 of 147 (permalink) Old 06-15-2006, 08:01 AM
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I think it would have too. Hughes is WAY too well rounded to have been taken by Royce. I admit that there are other factors that led to his loss as well. I believe he simply underestimated hughes and his ability to grapple as well as ground and pound. also, his physique has went down hill quite a bit since the good ole days. He knew about the gi and the gloves, so he had plenty of time to adjust to those variables.

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post #145 of 147 (permalink) Old 06-15-2006, 09:42 AM
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you know what its not even gracies age that had nothin to do with it the reason he dominted when the ufc started was because he was fightin guys who had no clue about the ground game he had no compition cos once he took them to the ground they didnt know how to fight back. the reason he got dominated and would lose ageinst eny good mma fighter is cos fighters of today know how to fight on the ground they know how to aviod submissions and the know how to strike if we sent matt huges back in time to fight gracie at ufc 1 the fight would have endid the same way due to the fact that gracie is used to dominating people in the ground he is not used to fighting hybred fighters sutch as matt is doesnt matter what time they fought in the result would haven allways been the same gracie is not as good a fighter as it seems the man is no match for the legand he would lose to mast people in the welterweight div the reason shamrock can still fight is cos he has EVOLVED with the sport knowing that in order to get better he olso has to learn more than 1 style GRACIE on the other hand has allways been to proud of ju-jit-su and will never admit that it alone is not good enough AND THATS HIS DOWNFALL gracie has let the sport pass him by and now he is lost

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post #146 of 147 (permalink) Old 06-17-2006, 03:44 PM
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I agree that Royce didn't look like himself but I think he still showed the most heart in the match because of the armbar he was in for like a minute in a half and some of the people I was with thought they saw something pop and then Hughes just gave up and knocked hom out infortunately.
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post #147 of 147 (permalink) Old 06-17-2006, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Xphilter
That was a disappointing fight. Not because Royce lost, but because I had to watch another UFC called by ref judgement. If Hughes went out and knocked him out or submitted him then fine. Nope didn't happen, take your garbage win Matt.

The funniest thing about it was that the fight was stopped on two punches that missed Royce's head. Then Hughes admitted at the end he heard Big John tell Royce to do something. That's when Hughes knew he had to throw a couple punches because Big John was about to call the fight.

Look I know that was a bad position to be in, but Royce was using his hands to block and a lot of them thrown missed. Yes, he got caught a couple times, but if your going to call the fight on that you might as well declare Hughes the winner before the match. I knew this was going to happen.

Tons of respect has been lost for Hughes just from his interviews before the fight. So many statements he said made him look so stupid. If you have to be a well balanced fighter to win in the UFC then someone please let Matt know most of the UFC belt holders are one dimensional (Sylvia, Liddell, etc).

I hope he gets rocked by G.S.P.
I'm going to preface my post by giving Gracie his props and his respect, he has earned it and MMA would not be where it is today without him.
Okay, now that I got that out of the way........................................
Laying on your belly and using your forearms to block blows is not an intelligent or effective defense. Gracie's face looked like it took numerous blows by the end of that fight. Allowing a fighter to become maimed or seriously injured would be bad for MMA and it would be flat out wrong. I'm glad Hughes pounded on him, after watching Gracie's early UFC fights where he always kept his submission holds latched on way way after his opponents tapped out. One guy was tapping his side with one hand and frantically tapping the mat with the other and Gracie still would'nt let go. He got the beat down he deserved, his arrogance was his biggest liability. To think that he can bow out of serious competition for so long and stroll back in and be where he was when he left is arrogent. He started believing his own hype and he paid the price for it. GSP may beat Hughes and he also may get submitted in the first round again, either way a great fighter wins.
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