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Old 01-20-2013, 01:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Jones, Chael and Vitor are the money gang right now. Ok guys, we'll all say loads of really stupid things, have undeserved title fights with each other, make our employer look like a joke then go home.

Vitor needs to decide which weight class he's in and fight a top 5 guy. Chael needs to shut up and be grateful for his current opportunity. Jones needs to watch Gustaf vs Mousasi closely and start preparing for the winner, because it'll be the first time he's fought a young fighter in their prime(like himself) for quite a while.
Good assessment. DC is not far behind. I think we'll finally see em dethroned within 18 months. DC is my bet. Chael is an exhibition fight. IF he wins that would go down as the biggest and funniest upset in the history of the sport. He would never have made it to a title fight with the killers in the LHW division.

Chael could beat Lil Nog, Jimmo, unfortunately prolly Shogun, maybe Phil Davis, Thiago Silva, Rampage and that's about it.

Chael would have fits against the upper echelon of the division Lyoto Machida, Gustaf, Hendo, Glover, Rashad, Griffin even, and especially against DC.

Putting Chael in on short notice was an act of desperation that was necessary to save the card, but to follow up with a TUF show and championship title fight really does make you wonder. I mean I don't mind watching the fight at all. Who's not going to tune into the TUF show now. So I guess they hit their objective, cuz people are going to watch even though it doesn't make sense...lolz.

Chael is +600 in case anybody wants to place a bet on em...haha.
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Good assessment. DC is not far behind. I think we'll finally see em dethroned within 18 months. DC is my bet. Chael is an exhibition fight. IF he wins that would go down as the biggest and funniest upset in the history of the sport. He would never have made it to a title fight with the killers in the LHW division.

Chael could beat Lil Nog, Jimmo, unfortunately prolly Shogun, maybe Phil Davis, Thiago Silva, Rampage and that's about it.

Chael would have fits against the upper echelon of the division Lyoto Machida, Gustaf, Hendo, Glover, Rashad, Griffin even, and especially against DC.

Putting Chael in on short notice was an act of desperation that was necessary to save the card, but to follow up with a TUF show and championship title fight really does make you wonder. I mean I don't mind watching the fight at all. Who's not going to tune into the TUF show now. So I guess they hit their objective, cuz people are going to watch even though it doesn't make sense...lolz.

Chael is +600 in case anybody wants to place a bet on em...haha.
I think chael has the best chance to beat jones tbh. Every fighter so far has came out and tried to get inside jones by staying on the outside and then countering in.. It has not worked at all. Chael wont do that. It will look like the first round of JDS/Cain 2, Chael will keep pushing and pushing until he can get jones to the ground.. The X factor is going to be jones' defensive wrestling and his bottom game which we have hardly seen. Obviously lyoto/vitor have a better chance than other also but i honestly think the best chance to beat jones is a wrestler like chael or cain.
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Good assessment. DC is not far behind. I think we'll finally see em dethroned within 18 months. DC is my bet. Chael is an exhibition fight. IF he wins that would go down as the biggest and funniest upset in the history of the sport. He would never have made it to a title fight with the killers in the LHW division.

Chael could beat Lil Nog, Jimmo, unfortunately prolly Shogun, maybe Phil Davis, Thiago Silva, Rampage and that's about it.

Chael would have fits against the upper echelon of the division Lyoto Machida, Gustaf, Hendo, Glover, Rashad, Griffin even, and especially against DC.

Putting Chael in on short notice was an act of desperation that was necessary to save the card, but to follow up with a TUF show and championship title fight really does make you wonder. I mean I don't mind watching the fight at all. Who's not going to tune into the TUF show now. So I guess they hit their objective, cuz people are going to watch even though it doesn't make sense...lolz.

Chael is +600 in case anybody wants to place a bet on em...haha.
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Tito Ortiz just knocked Forrest Griffin on his ass...twice! Chael would murder Forrest.
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I think the lowest score of Jones attributes is his stamina. He has very explosive power but I think if he does not land many shots he would tire in the 3rd-4th round. So far he has been able to damage his opponents within 2 rounds and hence it has not come into play.
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When we think about it, it's more valid to have a shot at Jones after a W against a MW, than after an L...
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Tito Ortiz just knocked Forrest Griffin on his ass...twice! Chael would murder Forrest.
I never understood why so many believed Forrest would beat Chael. Some people hear were dead set that Sonnen was going to lose that fight.

I mean Forrest has a better chance vs Sonnen than he does vs. many top 10 guys because Sonnen isn't exactly a finisher with devastating power.

But Forrest is done. His only chance would be a triangle. He would get out-stuck and taken down at will big Sonnen.
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There's no way Chael is blitzing through a motivated Griffin. It'll be an ugly fight and Griffin has an active guard if he gets put on the mat. Didn't say he's going to be easy, but I did say he'll give em fits as in it'll be a tough fight. Both Griffin and Anderson have long lanky legs and it's no surprise they both pulled out the same subs albeit awhile ago. That factor won't enable Chael to tee off, but it's definitely winnable, however Griffin still has the W from their last encounter.

I think Chael will surprise a lot of people against the LHW title holder, but it's inevitable. He doesn't have the power or submission prowess to threaten the LHW title holder. I can see maybe three rounds of Chael holding em down at best then him getting cut wide open by an elbow in the fourth into a TKO or sub. Only way for Chael to win is to have 100% gas tank on the ground controlling em for all 25 minutes. Is he going to frustrate em, I think so, will he get some shots in, yep, but can he finish the LHW title holder...prolly not. That's a big problem.

EDIT: That is where DC comes in. DC has far superior grappling and has KO power. Can't wait...
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There's no way Chael is blitzing through a motivated Griffin. It'll be an ugly fight and Griffin has an active guard if he gets put on the mat. Didn't say he's going to be easy, but I did say he'll give em fits as in it'll be a tough fight. Both Griffin and Anderson have long lanky legs and it's no surprise they both pulled out the same subs albeit awhile ago. That factor won't enable Chael to tee off, but it's definitely winnable, however Griffin still has the W from their last encounter.

I think Chael will surprise a lot of people against the LHW title holder, but it's inevitable. He doesn't have the power or submission prowess to threaten the LHW title holder. I can see maybe three rounds of Chael holding em down at best then him getting cut wide open by an elbow in the fourth into a TKO or sub. Only way for Chael to win is to have 100% gas tank on the ground controlling em for all 25 minutes. Is he going to frustrate em, I think so, will he get some shots in, yep, but can he finish the LHW title holder...prolly not. That's a big problem.

EDIT: That is where DC comes in. DC has far superior grappling and has KO power. Can't wait...
A motivated Forrest might be a different story but Anderson completely destroyed Forrest' chin and he's really not into fighting much these days it seems. Present day if I had to bet I'd go with Chael all day, his cardio should be back to where it was back when he was fighting Okami, Marquardt and Anderson at 205 and his submission defense has improved since the first Anderson fight, I think he would completely wreck Forrest at this moment in time.
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Yah Griffin hasn't been himself, but I threw him in there based on his previous encounter with Chael albeit years ago. The rest of the list I stand by and I think the consensus is Chael's greatest weapon is his mouth. That's what got em the title fight somehow. I'm sure everyone was confused; Lyoto who was supposed to fight, then Hendo and even Gustaf who's now facing Mousassi. Definite cluster imo, but very intriguing.

Vitor vs Chael could very well be a repeat of the Randy saga. It would pain me to see that. I never forgave Randy so I was quite pleased that Master Seagal taught The Dragon the crane kick which sent em to retirement.

Gustaf, Mousassi, Lyoto, Hendo, Vitor, and DC are in line after Chael. I think within 18 months he will be dethroned and I'm placing a sizable bet on Black Fedor cuz I know he'll be an underdog with the best chance of beating em.
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...I agree that Vitor's rant was a little out there. It was a brilliant fight by Vitor and nobody ever expected Bis to get finished by a headkick. That was brutal. I think when Chael went too far with Anderson, he put a big target on his back now. Vitor got his chance with Jones and got subbed after nearly ripping off JBJ's arm. Sonnen has some giant nads but they will become 2 peas when JBJ gets through with him. Anderson has been on his back a hell of a lot. Jones has only been on his back for 30 seconds. Interesting...

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