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Old 01-22-2013, 01:07 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:16 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I agree that Tibau pretty much out classed Khabib. He neutralized him completely, but lost because the judges didn't think he was active enough in my opinion.

Did someone seriously say Khabib would finish Diaz? Why, because he has power? The dude's stand up isn't very good at all. Diaz would light him up if they kept it standing. A win over Tavares can't cloud your mind that much. I'm not even going to call Tavares inconsistent anymore. He's just not that good at this point in his career. He got knocked out by Shane Roller. They said Khabib referred to Tavares as the best Brazilian lightweight in the UFC and one of my eye brows just went up almost on instinct.

You can follow the hype prematurely all you want, it seems like intelligent MMA fans can't help but be attracted to hype or create it when ever a fighter shows a small glimpse of greatness in the octagon. That's cool and all even though so many premature hype trains have been derailed in the past, but to say Khabib would "easily" beat a guy who just fought for the title makes this sound like another Rob Emerson joke type situation. Styles make fights, sure, but Khabib is no Ben Henderson in terms of size or wrestling. I'd put him on Jim Miller's level of wrestling MMA wise at this point, a guy who Nate Diaz easily shrugged off and soundly defeated in the octagon.

If the fight happens and Diaz loses, I'll gladly eat crow with some hot sauce, but until then, Khabib is nothing more than a prospect at this point with a gifted win against Tibau, a win over a C level Tavares, and a win over Kamal, a guy who I don't even think is in the UFC anymore.

Give Khabib some time though, I could see him having a lot of potential in the future. A fight against Diaz is too early for him though in my opinion.
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I don't recall anybody ever saying that Khabib would finish Nate.

Nate can't stuff the TD and he's not subbing the Sambo world champ, I don't see how that is such a hard point to get across.

Tibau has the best TDD in the UFC (in terms of statistics), Khabib is not a striker but he is improving.

EDIT: Ah, you think Nate will stuff the TD. Well if he does it's a completely different fight, I don't see it happening though. I was saying that Khabib is the future long before the Tavares fight.
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I understand his grappling credentials.

But to we have fight evidence that this guy can take dudes down and keep them there? I understand he has some submissions. But is there video of him getting a TD and controlling for periods of time. I draw a blank on the Shalorus fight as to how that all played out. I remember him hugging Tibau up against the cage and throwing wild punches many that didn't land. But he was the aggressor.

Which fight does he have that is evidence that he would take Nate Diaz down and then keep such a high level BB on his back and control him for periods? Is there one?

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He took 40 year old Kamal down twice.

Kamal got up both times though.
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The simple fact that Khabib called out Diaz publicly means that this fight will happen sooner rather than later. Khabib's Sambo > Diaz's BJJ. Khabib's stand up = Diaz's stand up, yes Diaz is the far better technical Boxer, but Nurmy's power makes it a wash. Diaz could win by pitter pat decision. But..., I'd pick Nurm for the finish.
This guy is the one who implied Khabib would finish Diaz. Diaz is incredibly tough, and his stand up is way better than Khabibs. You seriously think Khabibs wild lunging style is as good as Diaz's technical boxing? He was lunging in with some of those punches against Tavares. A good striker would counter that and make him pay. Diaz doesn't exactly hit light either. He's dropped or hurt people in the past. Him hurting Miller seemed to be half the reason on why submitted him. Khabib's aggressiveness standing wouldn't help him very much against a guy like Diaz. Diaz has more trouble against counter strikers who are looking to take out his legs. Somebody looking to get up in his face standing is playing right into his game and they would be getting tagged all night.

Khabib could be the future, I'm not arrogant enough to say he isn't given how young he is and how he's looked decent so far. I'm not one of those crystal ball posters who always consider their opinions fact, haha. I just feel he hasn't done enough to warrant too much hype yet. A win over Diaz would easily put him over to me, but I still think Diaz could stuff the take down enough (or get back to his feet enough) to win on points with his striking, or hurt Khabib which would lead to another submission win Jim Miller style. Khabib hasn't shown me yet that his wrestling is enough to take Diaz down consistently and keep him there. I'd like to see the fight though, cause I like when prospects give it a try against top 5ers/10ers. I'm not a fan of padding. The fact that he's calling out some of the top guys already gains my respect.
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Fedor's brother is a multiple time champ. Yet he was sub'd by a catch wrestler (Barnett) a BJJ ace (Werdum) and a wrestler/BJJ fighter (Monson). And he has basically no subs worthy of note in a solid MMA career.
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He took Shalorus down in rd 2 and 3 and choked him out. Nate has been taken down more times in the UFC than he has stuffed shots, he's been taken down by Benson, Jim Miller, Rory Mac, DHK, Marcus Davis (), Melvin, Joe Daddy, Josh Neer, Pellegrino, Assuncao and Manny Gamburyan.

I think it's pretty safe to say he's going to get taken down by Khabib.

Barnett, Monson and Werdum are ALL multiple time world champion nogi grapplers. Aleks never got subbed by a chump. Nate is nowhere near that level.

Roflcopter, Shalorus got taken down 3 times. Twice in r2, once in r1.
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Barnett, Monson and Werdum are ALL world champion nogi grapplers. Aleks never got subbed by a chump. Nate is nowhere near that level.
Yes he is. This is MMA. Not grappling championships.

The proof is that Sambo world champ doesn't mean he is amazing. Doesn't mean he can't be sub'd.

Nate is every bit the submission artist Barnett and Monson are in an MMA setting.

Agree to disagree.
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Agree to disagree, that's fine. I saw Nate get tapped in 10 seconds by Osvaldo Augusto Queixinho via toe hold and he was armbarred by Hermes "the sickfukc" Franca back in the day aswell.
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