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Could BJ Penn be UFC champ in 3 Divisions?

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Could BJ Penn be the 1st UFC champ in 3 Divisions?

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#52 ·
Oil said:
So you're saying that they are more well rounded than Frank Edgar, Spencer Fisher, Hermes Franca, Mark Hominick, Roger Huerta, Joe Lauzon, Duane Ludwig, Jens Pulver, Tyson Griffin, Melvin Guillard, Sean Sherk, Joe Stevenson, Din Thomas...
Frankie Edgar - Well rounded but haven't seen enough of him to say he's more well rounded than one of the WWs

Spencer Fisher- I'll give you that

Hermes - I'll give you that, his standup ain't all that pretty but it works

Hominick - Is he even a LW anymore, plus his ground game isn't all that spectacular.

Roger Huerta - A little, not as much as others though

Lauzon - You've seen 45 seconds of him and you're already willing to say he is as or more well rounded than the top 5 WWs??

Duane Ludwig - Why do people keep putting Ludwig down when they list UFC LWs?? I think he's only fought once or twice, in the WW weight class, a long ass time ago, and he's not well rounded. He's a badass striker though.

Pulver - I'll give y ou that

Griffin - From what I've seen of him his standup doesn't look to be as good as his ground game

Melvin - Not that well rounded, he's mainly a striker, until he uses his ground game successfully there's no way you can call him a well rounded fighter

Sherk - Not that well rounded, but he does have decent striking for such a pure wrestler type fighter

Stevenson - Like Sherk but not as good striking wise

Thomas - I'll give you that

Anyway yea some of those guys are well rounded but still none of them come close talent wise to the top 5 WWs. Maybe the 5 LWs I said "I'll give you that" to can make up for Diego and GSP's well roundedness and skill. Even so, that's not the point you're trying to make, so tell me how any of those LWs you listed have a better chance at beating BJ at his natural weight than the top 5 WWs do at beating him at a pudgy weight? It makes no sense to me...
 
#54 ·
WouldLuv2FightU said:
Lauzon - You've seen 45 seconds of him and you're already willing to say he is as or more well rounded than the top 5 WWs??

You forget I live in Mass. I've seen the kid fight 3 times Twice in the crowd and once on the PPV. He wasn't fighting anyone special but he had a sick knock(2 times if you count jens) and a really nice RNC (the kids got some nice ground work and guard defense).

WouldLuv2FightU said:
Duane Ludwig - Why do people keep putting Ludwig down when they list UFC LWs?? I think he's only fought once or twice, in the WW weight class, a long ass time ago, and he's not well rounded. He's a badass striker though.
Yeah I was rushing through the UFC web site looking for people I know are good marked down at 155lb's. Sorry I should have double checked but I was in a rush. I think they need to take down his name if they arn't going to sign him up again.


As for the conclusion. I speculate that most of the fighters who shifted down to 155 weren't escaping the WW division so much as their natural weight was at 155 but since they were signed to fight at 170 they need to compete at that level to make it into the UFC. To be honest my opinion is more of a prediction that fact. It is true that the people that are high up in the WW division apper to be better than a lot of the LW's but due time is needed to see how well a lot of them do. Would you have said that Diego was going to be as good as people think he is now after only seeing him win two fights in the UFC? A lot of the LW's have only had two or so fights at 155. After watching the fights that I've seen and online clips of some of their other fights I believe that most of the fighters I've mentioned are at the same level as the WW's but I believe there are still just more of them.

When it comes down to it the LW division is a whole other monster unto itself. It has a much faster pace to it then the WW division and not having fought in the LW division in a while will hamper BJ...no mater how much training he does.
Eveyone takes about natural weight and that BJ will do great because 155 is what he used to fight at. But after 3 years of being at 170 that becomes your natural weight. It will be a while before he is able to comfortably be ok with fighting and maintaining that weight.

Only time will tell how well he does. Who knows he maybe a monster like you say. :dunno:
 
#55 ·
Oil said:
You forget I live in Mass. I've seen the kid fight 3 times Twice in the crowd and once on the PPV. He wasn't fighting anyone special but he had a sick knock(2 times if you count jens) and a really nice RNC (the kids got some nice ground work and guard defense).



Yeah I was rushing through the UFC web site looking for people I know are good marked down at 155lb's. Sorry I should have double checked but I was in a rush. I think they need to take down his name if they arn't going to sign him up again.


As for the conclusion. I speculate that most of the fighters who shifted down to 155 weren't escaping the WW division so much as their natural weight was at 155 but since they were signed to fight at 170 they need to compete at that level to make it into the UFC. To be honest my opinion is more of a prediction that fact. It is true that the people that are high up in the WW division apper to be better than a lot of the LW's but due time is needed to see how well a lot of them do. Would you have said that Diego was going to be as good as people think he is now after only seeing him win two fights in the UFC? A lot of the LW's have only had two or so fights at 155. After watching the fights that I've seen and online clips of some of their other fights I believe that most of the fighters I've mentioned are at the same level as the WW's but I believe there are still just more of them.

When it comes down to it the LW division is a whole other monster unto itself. It has a much faster pace to it then the WW division and not having fought in the LW division in a while will hamper BJ...no mater how much training he does.
Eveyone takes about natural weight and that BJ will do great because 155 is what he used to fight at. But after 3 years of being at 170 that becomes your natural weight. It will be a while before he is able to comfortably be ok with fighting and maintaining that weight.

Only time will tell how well he does. Who knows he maybe a monster like you say. :dunno:
I gotcha, and I had a feeling you just looked at the UFC site to get that list cuz of Duane, not that it's a bad thing I do it too we can't all have perfect memory. I don't know why he's listed as LW though I think his most recent fight in the UFC was at WW. Oh well. You're entitled to your opinion and I just wanted you to elaborate a little more. I never said BJ would be a monster though, everyone thinks he is just gonna tear through it, but I think he will have some trouble with a couple of guys. He's not a machine, he's good as hell, but he's not a machine. I think he will be ok fighting at 155 though, he's a small and young guy, with a lot of energy, he might struggle a bit for his first fight but I think he'll get back to his old self. Lots of fighters move down a wieght class after years and years of fighting at another one and do very very well. Rich Franklin, Randy, just a couple off the top of my head.
 
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WouldLuv2FightU said:
Frankie Edgar - Well rounded but haven't seen enough of him to say he's more well rounded than one of the WWs

Spencer Fisher- I'll give you that

Hermes - I'll give you that, his standup ain't all that pretty but it works

Hominick - Is he even a LW anymore, plus his ground game isn't all that spectacular.

Roger Huerta - A little, not as much as others though

Lauzon - You've seen 45 seconds of him and you're already willing to say he is as or more well rounded than the top 5 WWs??

Duane Ludwig - Why do people keep putting Ludwig down when they list UFC LWs?? I think he's only fought once or twice, in the WW weight class, a long ass time ago, and he's not well rounded. He's a badass striker though.

Pulver - I'll give y ou that

Griffin - From what I've seen of him his standup doesn't look to be as good as his ground game

Melvin - Not that well rounded, he's mainly a striker, until he uses his ground game successfully there's no way you can call him a well rounded fighter

Sherk - Not that well rounded, but he does have decent striking for such a pure wrestler type fighter

Stevenson - Like Sherk but not as good striking wise

Thomas - I'll give you that

Anyway yea some of those guys are well rounded but still none of them come close talent wise to the top 5 WWs. Maybe the 5 LWs I said "I'll give you that" to can make up for Diego and GSP's well roundedness and skill. Even so, that's not the point you're trying to make, so tell me how any of those LWs you listed have a better chance at beating BJ at his natural weight than the top 5 WWs do at beating him at a pudgy weight? It makes no sense to me...
Agreed. Whew, I'm so glad I didn't have to type all this.
 
#60 ·
LW may be a little deeper but when you compare the higher ranked guys in each division the WWs easily win. Maybe not on well roundedness but on how good they are overall.

Heres my rankings in order for each division and if theyre better than their counterpart. Im not including BJ

Sherk < GSP
Franca < Hughes
Stevenson < Diego
Guillard < Karo
Fisher < Fitch
Lauzon < Kos
Pulver > Burkman
Edgar > Serra
Griffen > Lytle
Huerta
Hominick (if hes still around)
Thomas

See LWs a little deeper but still not as good
 
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