View Poll Results: Who do you want Spider to fight next?

**John8204** · 01-23-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLyotoLegion

The only reason Mousasi/Jardine was a draw was because of point deductions.

It was a draw because of Mousasi, he was taken down four times in that first round and he kicked Jardine in the head. Then in the third after he hurt Jardine he went for subs/control over standing up and finishing him.

It was in my eyes one of the worst strategically fought fights of that year.

**TheLyotoLegion** · 01-23-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by John8204

It was a draw because of Mousasi, he was taken down four times in that first round and he kicked Jardine in the head. Then in the third after he hurt Jardine he went for subs/control over standing up and finishing him.

It was in my eyes one of the worst strategically fought fights of that year.

I'm well aware of what happened, I just wanted to point that out.

Also, Anderson Silva probably wouldn't try and take Mousasi down so again, the Jardine fight doesn't really hold much relevance to a potential Silva/Mousasi fight.

**John8204** · 01-23-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLyotoLegion

I'm well aware of what happened, I just wanted to point that out.

Also, Anderson Silva probably wouldn't try and take Mousasi down so again, the Jardine fight doesn't really hold much relevance to a potential Silva/Mousasi fight.

It calls into question his fight IQ. One of the reasons I think Luke Rockhold deserves a title shot is because he fights smart. I think the key in beating Anderson is out scoring him on the judges card. You know he's going to give his opponent rounds.

**Rygu** · 01-24-2013, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by John8204

It calls into question his fight IQ. One of the reasons I think Luke Rockhold deserves a title shot is because he fights smart. I think the key in beating Anderson is out scoring him on the judges card. You know he's going to give his opponent rounds.

Rockhold has never even fought a good striker, fighting the best striker in MMA history might not be the best thing for him right now.

I voted Weidman. I would like to see where he's really at.

**TheOldAssassin** · 01-24-2013, 05:36 AM

If Rashad is really serious this time about moving down to 185 after he ekes out a controversial split decision over Lil Nog (my prediction for that fight), I'd like to see Dana stir something up between Rashad and Vitor (as he is now attempting to do with GSP and Rory MacDonald), in the form of a megabucks fight, with the winner getting a shot at Anderson Silva (and they will have last fought two weeks apart, making the whole scenario that much more plausible).

Knowing Rashad as I do, and the tectonics at that camp as I do (with Mike van Arsdale no longer there), Rashad will throw another fit and get thrown under the bus (when all the important people down there side with Vitor) - and may quite possibly go back with Greg Jackson (who does Greg have at 185 right now? Derek Brunson? Buddy Roberts?).

Then let the fur fly, and the PPVs sell - and boy, will they ever.

**The Best Around** · 01-24-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by John8204

Fighter A would have gotten several title shots he just failed to win his title eliminators (Henderson, Silva, Sonnen, Belfort). Also did you see Sakara and Lawlor's last fights? There's a reason those guys aren't cut and Miller and Rivera were. If Bisping won five fights in a row he would have gotten a shot, he didn't. Even when he gets spotted two/three cans he still never hit that big winning streak to merit his title fight.

Now when Chris Weidman taps to strikes or gets point deductions or loses a fight you can talk about how unfairly hyped he was over Bisping.

P.S. Are you actually claiming Bisping's win over Hamill was a "good win" because unless you are the most biased person to ever post on the internet it was a loss and a robbery.

Yes I know Fighter A would have gotten several title shots if he won eliminators. That's my point, is that Weidman needs to win a title eliminator. Bisping also would have gotten an undeserving title shot if they handed him one (like in Weidman's position).

Bisping is also a ratings draw, whereas Weidman is a no-namer. Throw him on a PPV co-main event title eliminator, and if he wins, fine, give him a title shot.

zath the champ · 01-24-2013, 01:09 PM

Wow - 30 each for Chris and Jon

Surprised that it wasn't a blowout for Jones....seems like the absolute perfect timing (TUF not withstanding) and this would be a fantastic fight.

joshua7789 · 01-25-2013, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLyotoLegion

I'm well aware of what happened, I just wanted to point that out.

Also, Anderson Silva probably wouldn't try and take Mousasi down so again, the Jardine fight doesn't really hold much relevance to a potential Silva/Mousasi fight.

The main point was the Jardine is a B level fighter and Mousasi didnt beat him, regardless of the point deduction. Mousasi hasnt actually done anything to prove that he can compete with elite competition at this point. As ive said before, he seems talented, but his best opponents arent particularly impressive.

**John8204** · 01-25-2013, 06:19 PM

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Yes I know Fighter A would have gotten several title shots if he won eliminators. That's my point, is that Weidman needs to win a title eliminator. Bisping also would have gotten an undeserving title shot if they handed him one (like in Weidman's position).

Bisping is also a ratings draw, whereas Weidman is a no-namer. Throw him on a PPV co-main event title eliminator, and if he wins, fine, give him a title shot.

Well that might be a point if it were true. But Munoz/Weidman was a title eliminator, it eliminated Mark Munoz from fighting for the title. Pretty ridiculous to claim that defeating a top five fighter wasn't a "title eliminator". As for your point that Weidman should be in the co-main event, gee I wonder whose been taking those Co-main event slots over the past year.

155 - Lauzon/Miller
154 - Hendricks/Kampmann
153 - Big Nog/Dave Herman
152 - Johnson/Benavidez or Bisping/Stann
150 - Cerrone/Guillard
149 - Boetsch/Lombard
148 - Griffin/Ortiz
147 - Mutante/Moraes
146 - Velasquez/Silva
145 - Macdonald/Mills
144 - Jackson/Bader
143 - Nelson/Werdum
142 - Belfort/Johnson

One time the co-main event fighter went on to fight for a title, why do the rules need to be changed for Weidman?