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Old 01-23-2013, 09:48 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Weidman is a better all around fighter than Palhares.
This is true. Even though Palhares has good take downs for a BJJ guy, Weidman's wrestling is levels above Palhares so unlike many of the BJJ guys we have seen vs Anderson, Weidman actually has the wrestling to get the fight to the ground. From there he is very dangerous and could submit just about anyone.

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Hmm, thats debatable dude. I'm not saying Silva is a BJJ monster either. Buuuuut, he's not been submitted since 2004. Since then he's fought against some very able BBJ guys including a BJJ monster Damian Maia. Thales Leites isn't too shabby at BJJ either. He may not have the best offensive BJJ, but he is defensive work is pretty damn good. OK, Weidman competed at the ADCCs but that too doesn;t make him a BJJ monster. Offensively or defensively. What I will say for Weidman is that he has picked up BJJ pretty quickly and combined with his wrestling he could cause a problem or 2 for Anderson. I just really can't see a submission on the cards for Weidman.

In my opinion there is nobody currently at LHW, MW, or WW that could dethrone the respective champion.
Like mentioned in my previous post, the major difference between guys like Maia and Leites and Chris Weidman is Weidman has the wrestling to get the fight to the ground. Something neither of those two had. They were pulling gaurd in hopes of getting it to the ground. Weidman is a great wrestler and could put Anderson down much, much easier then either of those guys could. Your submission skills don't do much good if you can't get in position to use it, as we saw in those fights.

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Old 01-23-2013, 09:59 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Like mentioned in my previous post, the major difference between guys like Maia and Leites and Chris Weidman is Weidman has the wrestling to get the fight to the ground. Something neither of those two had. They were pulling gaurd in hopes of getting it to the ground. Weidman is a great wrestler and could put Anderson down much, much easier then either of those guys could. Your submission skills don't do much good if you can't get in position to use it, as we saw in those fights.
I understand. I did mention about his wrestling combined with his BBJ skills, may cause Anderson some problems. I just don't think he will be submitting Anderson. Basically, my point is this....

Silvas defensive BJJ > Weidmans offensive BJJ.

I'm not saying theres a wide margin either, but this is my opinion.
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I understand. I did mention about his wrestling combined with his BBJ skills, may cause Anderson some problems. I just don't think he will be submitting Anderson. Basically, my point is this....

Silvas defensive BJJ > Weidmans offensive BJJ.

I'm not saying theres a wide margin either, but this is my opinion.
Fair enough. But IMO with Weidman's wrestling and BJJ he is very capable of getting an arm triangle or a kimura or some kind of submission that you generally see from top control. Since I think he will be able to put Anderson on his back and pass his guard and he will likely have the strength advantage.
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Weidman is a better all around fighter than Palhares.
We are talking specifically about the possibility of Weidman subbing Silva.

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I really can't tell if you are attempting to help my point or hurt it? Palhares has 10 submissions in 19 fights. I think I counted 5 submissions in the UFC. I'd say he has done pretty well with his submissions in MMA.
And who are those 10 submissions against? He hasn't subbed any fighter of note. Although, like Weidman, he has an exceptional record in BJJ tourneys.

My point is, just because somebody is awesome in BJJ competition, doesnt mean they can come into MMA and sub top guys.

If anything, Silvas subs of Henderson and Sonnen are far more impressive then any of the subs these guys have pulled off.
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We are talking specifically about the possibility of Weidman subbing Silva.



And who are those 10 submissions against? He hasn't subbed any fighter of note. Although, like Weidman, he has an exceptional record in BJJ tourneys.

My point is, just because somebody is awesome in BJJ competition, doesnt mean they can come into MMA and sub top guys.

If anything, Silvas subs of Henderson and Sonnen are far more impressive then any of the subs these guys have pulled off.
Subbing Sonnen is nothing of note. He has been submitted numerous times with a triangle. He has poor sub defense.
Hendo was more legit but still he did the damage on the feet to soften him up.
Palhares submitted some high level grapplers in MMA like LInhares and Branch. He is also the only one to sub Salvarerry in his long career. Just take a look at the guys Palhares was subbing, some of them are excellent grapplers.
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Subbing Sonnen is nothing of note. He has been submitted numerous times with a triangle. He has poor sub defense.
Hendo was more legit but still he did the damage on the feet to soften him up.
Palhares submitted some high level grapplers in MMA like LInhares and Branch. He is also the only one to sub Salvarerry in his long career. Just take a look at the guys Palhares was subbing, some of them are excellent grapplers.
Firstly, my point regards the Sonnen fight is the context. He was taking an almighty beating for 22.5 minutes before pulling out that sub. Can you say with all confidence that Weidman would still have the heart to pull that off?

And Secondly, I dont care if Palhares has subbed high level grapplers. That's kind of my point. None of these guys are even remotely high level MMA fighters. None of them. Same goes for Weidmans victims.

It's easy enough saying Silva had Hendo softened up before subbing him... as if you see that every day? When has Hendo ever been "softened up" by anybody let alone submitted?

No. Im going to stick with the facts, which as of today show Silva to be a more accomplished grappler in MMA then Weidman.
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Firstly, my point regards the Sonnen fight is the context. He was taking an almighty beating for 22.5 minutes before pulling out that sub. Can you say with all confidence that Weidman would still have the heart to pull that off?

And Secondly, I dont care if Palhares has subbed high level grapplers. That's kind of my point. None of these guys are even remotely high level MMA fighters. None of them. Same goes for Weidmans victims.

It's easy enough saying Silva had Hendo softened up before subbing him... as if you see that every day? When has Hendo ever been "softened up" by anybody let alone submitted?

No. Im going to stick with the facts, which as of today show Silva to be a more accomplished grappler in MMA then Weidman.
That's what the facts sugggest? You want to look at the good then also look at the bad. Anderson has been submitted in the past, by a WW, a very average WW at that. Has Weidman been subbed? I don't think you are looking at the right information. I don't think you are being fair. I stand by what I said in that Weidman is more likely to get the sub on Anderson then the other way around. Based off what I already described in his ability to get on top and his high level of grappling. Division 1 All American Wrestler that has also won grappling competitions and his improving at a very high rate. Weidman wasn't scared to go to the ground with Maia, even when taking the fight on short notice.
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I wish they could do Weidman/Belfort for #1 contender but I guess that won't work if Silva and Weidman are coming back around the same time? That way Weidman could actually have a very good win, or Belfort would have had enough success to warrant a rematch with Silva after Silva put him to shame.
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That's what the facts sugggest? You want to look at the good then also look at the bad. Anderson has been submitted in the past, by a WW, a very average WW at that. Has Weidman been subbed? I don't think you are looking at the right information. I don't think you are being fair. I stand by what I said in that Weidman is more likely to get the sub on Anderson then the other way around. Based off what I already described in his ability to get on top and his high level of grappling. Division 1 All American Wrestler that has also won grappling competitions and his improving at a very high rate. Weidman wasn't scared to go to the ground with Maia, even when taking the fight on short notice.
Dude, A WW in 2004! 7 years ago. Silvas BJJ had of course improved since then. Weidman has 9 fights to his name while Silva has 37. If Weidman had 37 fights behind him I'm sure he might have got submitted once. I think your making some decent points but I've got to agree with Sooj here.

If you're talking about the both fighters total grappling game maybe Weidman has a slight advantage due to his wrestling credentials, maybe. But in terms of BJJ alone, Silva is more accomplished as far as MMA goes. If you guys were talking about the difference in their MMA grappling game, I might have some different things to say, but you talking about their MMA BJJ game. So I have to side with Sooj.
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That's what the facts sugggest? You want to look at the good then also look at the bad. Anderson has been submitted in the past, by a WW, a very average WW at that. Has Weidman been subbed? I don't think you are looking at the right information. I don't think you are being fair. I stand by what I said in that Weidman is more likely to get the sub on Anderson then the other way around. Based off what I already described in his ability to get on top and his high level of grappling. Division 1 All American Wrestler that has also won grappling competitions and his improving at a very high rate. Weidman wasn't scared to go to the ground with Maia, even when taking the fight on short notice.
Chris Weidman has had 9 MMA fights. It's not exactly a bragging point, saying he's never been subbed.

Nope. Im sorry bro, but you are making no sense. If we go by past fights, Silva is by far more accomplished against top level grapplers in MMA.

I'm not saying Weidman isnt the real deal. Its certainly the fight I would like to see from the list. But we need to be senisible. Hes had 9 fights and looked impressive. But that's it. He's not stepped up to top level competition. Something Silva has been doing for 6 years.
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